19 Aug
2008
19 Aug
'08
10:06 a.m.
On Aug 19, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 19 Aug 2008 at 11:45, Marden P. Marshall wrote:
If the current line of discussion does not match the subject line,
then the message thread has been hijacked. It is discourteous and
disrupting to other members of the community who might be trying to
follow the original subject. How would you feel if you had started a
new subject only to later see the discussion taken in a different,
unrelated direction.
-Mardy
Guys, two words "thread hijacking"
Sorry, I was curious about the subject and thought to ask some
questions about the current line of discussion. I'll keep my
inquiring mind to myself in the future (fat chance).
Cheers,
Chuck
19 Aug
19 Aug
9:54 p.m.
On Tuesday 19 August 2008 13:06, Marden P. Marshall wrote:
On Aug 19, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Also known as "topic drift", and something I'd consider to be perfectly
normal in most situations where conversations are ongoing. Three
words: "Get over it."
The turns that some converstations have taken in here have been, to me,
informative and entertaining and they're one of the reasons why I enjoy this
list to the extent that I do.
--
Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can
be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
-
Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James
M Dakin
On 19 Aug 2008 at 11:45, Marden P. Marshall
wrote:
If the current line of discussion does not match the subject line,
then the message thread has been hijacked. It is discourteous and
disrupting to other members of the community who might be trying to
follow the original subject. How would you feel if you had started a
new subject only to later see the discussion taken in a different,
unrelated direction. Guys, two words "thread hijacking"
Sorry, I was curious about the subject and thought to ask some
questions about the current line of discussion. I'll keep my
inquiring mind to myself in the future (fat chance).
Cheers,
Chuck 
20 Aug
20 Aug
9 a.m.
Roy J. Tellason wrote:
Same here. I'd much prefer they drift than not drift.
Peace... Sridhar
If the current
line of discussion does not match the subject line,
then the message thread has been hijacked. It is discourteous and
disrupting to other members of the community who might be trying to
follow the original subject. How would you feel if you had started a
new subject only to later see the discussion taken in a different,
unrelated direction.
Also known as "topic drift", and something I'd consider to be perfectly
normal in most situations where conversations are ongoing. Three
words: "Get over it."
The turns that some converstations have taken in here have been, to me,
informative and entertaining and they're one of the reasons why I enjoy this
list to the extent that I do.
8:06 a.m.
Marden P. Marshall wrote:
On Aug 19, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
First of all, it was related. Second of all, the right thing to do is
to alter the subject line, not to curtail the discussion. Third of all,
lighten up. Really.
Peace... Sridhar
On 19 Aug 2008 at 11:45, Marden P. Marshall
wrote:
If the current line of discussion does not match the subject line, then
the message thread has been hijacked. It is discourteous and disrupting
to other members of the community who might be trying to follow the
original subject. How would you feel if you had started a new subject
only to later see the discussion taken in a different, unrelated direction. Guys, two words "thread hijacking"
Sorry, I was curious about the subject and thought to ask some
questions about the current line of discussion. I'll keep my
inquiring mind to myself in the future (fat chance).
Cheers,
Chuck
9:08 a.m.
On Aug 20, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Marden P. Marshall wrote:
I'm not trying to be a hard ass here, but please try to look at it
On Aug 19, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
First of all, it was related. Second of all, the right thing to do
is to alter the subject line, not to curtail the discussion. Third
of all, lighten up. Really.
Peace... Sridhar
On 19 Aug 2008 at 11:45, Marden P. Marshall
wrote:
If the current line of discussion does not match the subject line,
then the message thread has been hijacked. It is discourteous and
disrupting to other members of the community who might be trying to
follow the original subject. How would you feel if you had
started a new subject only to later see the discussion taken in a
different, unrelated direction. Guys, two words "thread hijacking"
Sorry, I was curious about the subject and thought to ask some
questions about the current line of discussion. I'll keep my
inquiring mind to myself in the future (fat chance).
Cheers,
Chuck
from my perspective. I was looking to buy a DEC PC04,
so I sent out a
message with the subject: "WTB: DEC PC04...". So now
when I see a
response to that message in my inbox, I'm expecting to open it and
read about buying or selling a DEC PC04. Instead, I read about
repairing readers. I'm sorry, but I don't see the relationship. Nor
do I see where it is my responsibility to alter the subject line of a
message thread that I originated. That is the responsibility of the
person / persons who redirected the thread.
Also keep in mind that the practice of keeping the subject line in-
sync with the message content is for the good of the whole community.
For example, the new subject of reader repairs which took over my
original message is a very worth while subject and should in no way be
curtailed. But the fact that no one bothered to give it a dedicated
thread with an appropriate subject line means that there are some out
there that may never read it, instead deleting it because they thought
the message was to do with someone wanting to buy something.
This is just simple common curtsy that is for the benefit of all.
-Mardy
9:19 a.m.
I was the one who did this. To all who were inconvenienced by this, my
apologies.
I will be more careful in the future.
Rick Bensene
The Old Calculator (and a few old computers) Museum
<snip>
I'm not trying to be a hard ass here, but please
try to look at it
from my perspective. I was looking to buy a DEC PC04, so I sent out a
message with the subject: "WTB: DEC
PC04...". So now when I see a
response to that message in my inbox, I'm expecting to open it and
read about buying or selling a DEC PC04. Instead, I read about
repairing readers.
-Mardy
9:21 a.m.
Marden P. Marshall wrote:
I'm not trying to be a hard ass here, but please
try to look at it from
You may not be trying, but that's the way it's coming off.
my perspective. I was looking to buy a DEC PC04, so I
sent out a
message with the subject: "WTB: DEC PC04...". So now when I see a
response to that message in my inbox, I'm expecting to open it and read
about buying or selling a DEC PC04. Instead, I read about repairing
readers. I'm sorry, but I don't see the relationship. Nor do I see
where it is my responsibility to alter the subject line of a message
thread that I originated. That is the responsibility of the person /
persons who redirected the thread.
You shouldn't have any problem asking for the others involved in the
discussion to please alter their subject line. That's perfectly
reasonable. Complaining about topic drift is *not the same thing* and
*is not reasonable*.
Also keep in mind that the practice of keeping the
subject line in-sync
with the message content is for the good of the whole community. For
example, the new subject of reader repairs which took over my original
message is a very worth while subject and should in no way be
curtailed. But the fact that no one bothered to give it a dedicated
thread with an appropriate subject line means that there are some out
there that may never read it, instead deleting it because they thought
the message was to do with someone wanting to buy something.
And there had been anyone to offer you a PC04, I would've fully expected
them to offer it to you in private email to avoid wasting everyone's
bandwidth.
This is just simple common curtsy that is for the
benefit of all.
I'm male. I bow. I don't curtsy for anyone.
Peace... Sridhar
9:59 a.m.
Marden P. Marshall wrote:
I'm not trying to be a hard ass here, but please
try to look at it from
my perspective. I was looking to buy a DEC PC04, so I sent out a
message with the subject: "WTB: DEC PC04...". So now when I see a
response to that message in my inbox, I'm expecting to open it and read
about buying or selling a DEC PC04.
False assumption, I'm afraid. Don't expect a reply with a specific subject
line to necessarily be anything to do with that subject line, and all's well
with the world :)
Nor do I see
where it is my responsibility to alter the subject line of a message
thread that I originated. That is the responsibility of the person /
persons who redirected the thread.
It's odd, but I've been on lots of mailing lists over the years (along with an
active usenet participant), and I don't remember ever seeing subject lines
changed (and the addition of a "was:" tag) until recent years. I'm not quite
sure when or where it started, although I fell like I saw it around the same
time as 'tagging' mailing list messages with the list name became popular on
most lists (not this one, thankfully - it's a horrible practice)
cheers
Jules
10:22 a.m.
Gentlemen (and ladies), please, let's drop the matter.
I'm often guilty of promulgating subject drift--I try to control
myself, but sometimes curiosity gets the better of me. It's how my
mind works. To settle the matter, you can punish me with 64 lashes
with a decayed tension band from a DC300 cart and mark my forehead
with a dab of heat-sink grease so that others may see and be warned.
But enough--if anyone has a DC04 available, please contact Mardy.
Otherwise, let's on to the interesting stuff...
Cheers,
Chuck
11:15 a.m.
New subject: "(Was:" (Was: Discussion List Netiquette, Was: WTB:
The first time that I recall seeing "(was:" tags was 1990. I liked the
basic idea, and have been doing it since.
It identifies the subject drift, while also identifying the source thread.
(The closing paren (for panic-stricken parsers) would be at the end
of the subject line, but is part of the truncated ending.)
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
28 Aug
28 Aug
6:43 p.m.
New subject: It's alive??
Holy cow ... is the list alive again?
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 1:22 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Discussion List Netiquette,Was: WTB: DEC PC04 Paper Tape
Reader/Punch
Gentlemen (and ladies), please, let's drop the matter.
I'm often guilty of promulgating subject drift--I try to control
myself, but sometimes curiosity gets the better of me. It's how my
mind works. To settle the matter, you can punish me with 64 lashes
with a decayed tension band from a DC300 cart and mark my forehead
with a dab of heat-sink grease so that others may see and be warned.
But enough--if anyone has a DC04 available, please contact Mardy.
Otherwise, let's on to the interesting stuff...
Cheers,
Chuck
6:47 p.m.
New subject: It's alive??
Holy cow ... is the list alive again?
Yay!
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
8:08 p.m.
New subject: It's alive??
On Thursday 28 August 2008 21:47, Gene Buckle wrote:
What happened? I thought it got kinda quiet in here...
--
Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can
be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
-
Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James
M Dakin
Holy cow ...
is the list alive again?
Yay!
g.
8:35 p.m.
New subject: It's alive??
Yay!
g.
What happened? I thought it got kinda quiet in here...
29 Aug
29 Aug
12:43 a.m.
New subject: It's alive??
Gene Buckle wrote:
Dunno. Last traffic was on the 22nd. I pinged Jay about it yesterday.
And there was me tyhinking it was all just because I was on holiday :-)
I tried a few emails and had bounce messages suggesting that a disk
was full. I presume that the disk has been emptied slightly ...
Antonio
Yay!
g.
What happened? I thought it got kinda quiet in here...
28 Aug
28 Aug
9:18 p.m.
New subject: It's alive??
At 9:43 PM -0400 8/28/08, Evan Koblentz wrote:
Holy cow ... is the list alive again?
It was dead? Now I know I've been busy...
Zane
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29 Aug
29 Aug
8:06 a.m.
New subject: It's alive??
Gee, I was kinda enjoying the chance to get caught up. I had only 877
messages to go, and now you start adding more again!
Jim
Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 9:43 PM -0400 8/28/08, Evan Koblentz wrote:
Holy cow ... is the list alive again?
It was dead? Now I know I've been busy...
Zane
5:06 a.m.
New subject: It's alive??
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:43:46 -0400, Evan Koblentz wrote:
Holy cow ... is the list alive again?
While enduring the list blackout, I closely studied the clinical symptoms of Horders
syndrome. I have self
diagnosed myself as a willing victim of this evil affliction. Using myself as a bad
example, I think we as a
collective should begin thinking about forming a support group for members who have not
yet come to
grips with this affliction.
The other Bob
7:33 a.m.
New subject: It's alive??
On Friday 29 August 2008 08:06, Bob Bradlee wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:43:46 -0400, Evan Koblentz
wrote:
You mean, this isn't it? :-)
--
Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can
be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
-
Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James
M Dakin
Holy cow ... is the list alive again?
While enduring the list blackout, I closely studied the clinical symptoms
of Horders syndrome. I have self diagnosed myself as a willing victim of
this evil affliction. Using myself as a bad example, I think we as a
collective should begin thinking about forming a support group for members
who have not yet come to grips with this affliction.
The other Bob 
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