30 Sep
2021
30 Sep
'21
9:48 a.m.
I am hoping someone here knows Richard Cornwell, driving force behind
KL10B SimH and associated forks.
Not sure how to raise the issue of simulated RP07 drives size not
matching RPO7 and looking like RPO6.
Also trying to figure out how to set switches as in other KA/KL sims.
I can't seem to find a means of doing that in RC's KL.
Is there a usage template? I have found the docs that describe it and
tte config but the questions above are not evident in my reading, does
not mean the data is not there, just I have not found the clue path.
thanks for any help or pointers!
bad bob
30 Sep
30 Sep
10:50 a.m.
Bob Smith via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> writes:
I am hoping someone here knows Richard Cornwell,
driving force behind
KL10B SimH and associated forks.
Yes, I do. I would suggest you contact Richard directly, either by
posting an issue to his GitHub repository, or by email.
https://github.com/rcornwell/sims/
http://sky-visions.com/
Also trying to figure out how to set switches as in
other KA/KL sims.
I can't seem to find a means of doing that in RC's KL.
I'm using his KL10 for running ITS. Here is an example:
https://github.com/PDP-10/its/blob/master/build/pdp10-kl/run
11:57 a.m.
New subject: Terminal Emulator
I am looking for a good terminal emulator.? Not for connecting to older
computers serially but to connect with my embedded designs.
Do any of you have any recommendations.
I've been using Realterm for years but it's not very good.
I used UCON, hyper term, terra term, telix (going way back) and a few I
can't remember the name of.
Here are my needs:
1.? Runs under Windows 10 (linux optionally)
2.? Has user selectable baud rates (I use 500K baud frequently)
3.? Can use any Windows Com Port.
4.? Can send files as raw binary
5.? Has X-modem built in (nice but optional)
6.? Has some kind of basic VT-100 support
7.? Can display both ascii characters and binary data has hex numbers,
preferably on alternate lines (hex above the ascii character like this:
??? ??? 45 76 65 72 79
???????? E??? V?? E?? R?? Y
8.? Can send short manually entered strings in hex or ascii.
9.? Can recognize protocols (based on start and/or end of text characters)
10. Costs less than $100
11.? Can Capture what comes in the port
12.? Has local echo (when connected to systems that don't echo what you
type)
13.? Has a large scroll back buffer.
14.? Has programmable macro buttons or function keys.
15.? Can handle removal and insertion of the TTL to Serial USB converter
without crashing.
Thank you
12:18 p.m.
New subject: Terminal Emulator
I would ask Dave Mcguire (LSSM)
On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 2:57 PM Mike Katz via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I am looking for a good terminal emulator. Not for
connecting to older
computers serially but to connect with my embedded designs.
Do any of you have any recommendations.
I've been using Realterm for years but it's not very good.
I used UCON, hyper term, terra term, telix (going way back) and a few I
can't remember the name of.
Here are my needs:
1. Runs under Windows 10 (linux optionally)
2. Has user selectable baud rates (I use 500K baud frequently)
3. Can use any Windows Com Port.
4. Can send files as raw binary
5. Has X-modem built in (nice but optional)
6. Has some kind of basic VT-100 support
7. Can display both ascii characters and binary data has hex numbers,
preferably on alternate lines (hex above the ascii character like this:
45 76 65 72 79
E V E R Y
8. Can send short manually entered strings in hex or ascii.
9. Can recognize protocols (based on start and/or end of text characters)
10. Costs less than $100
11. Can Capture what comes in the port
12. Has local echo (when connected to systems that don't echo what you
type)
13. Has a large scroll back buffer.
14. Has programmable macro buttons or function keys.
15. Can handle removal and insertion of the TTL to Serial USB converter
without crashing.
Thank you
3:02 p.m.
New subject: Terminal Emulator
On 2021-09-30 1:18 p.m., Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
I would ask Dave Mcguire (LSSM)
On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 2:57 PM Mike Katz via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
> I am looking for a good terminal emulator. Not for connecting to older
> computers serially but to connect with my embedded designs.
> Do any of you have any recommendations.
>
> I've been using Realterm for years but it's not very good.
>
> I used UCON, hyper term, terra term, telix (going way back) and a few I
> can't remember the name of.
>
> Here are my needs:
>
> 1. Runs under Windows 10 (linux optionally)
> 2. Has user selectable baud rates (I use 500K baud frequently)
> 3. Can use any Windows Com Port.
> 4. Can send files as raw binary
> 5. Has X-modem built in (nice but optional)
> 6. Has some kind of basic VT-100 support
> 7. Can display both ascii characters and binary data has hex numbers,
> preferably on alternate lines (hex above the ascii character like this:
> 45 76 65 72 79
> E V E R Y
> 8. Can send short manually entered strings in hex or ascii.
> 9. Can recognize protocols (based on start and/or end of text characters)
> 10. Costs less than $100
> 11. Can Capture what comes in the port
> 12. Has local echo (when connected to systems that don't echo what you
> type)
> 13. Has a large scroll back buffer.
> 14. Has programmable macro buttons or function keys.
> 15. Can handle removal and insertion of the TTL to Serial USB converter
> without crashing.
>
> Thank you
>
Why just V100 and friends? How about
more of the vintage terminals of the 70's.
Since we have bit mapped graphics,we can finally have over striked
characters for ALGOL or APL.
Ben.
PS
15 USB serial and USB sticks don't work together. You need a cold reboot
often to find the other device.
3:32 p.m.
New subject: Terminal Emulator
On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 4:02 PM ben via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On 2021-09-30 1:18 p.m., Bill Degnan via cctalk
wrote:
I'll point to the Sun NeWS terminal emulator that was termcap (or was it
terminfo) driven...
Warner
I would ask Dave Mcguire (LSSM)
On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 2:57 PM Mike Katz via cctalk <
cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
wrote:
> I am looking for a good terminal emulator. Not for connecting to older
> computers serially but to connect with my embedded designs.
> Do any of you have any recommendations.
>
> I've been using Realterm for years but it's not very good.
>
> I used UCON, hyper term, terra term, telix (going way back) and a few I
> can't remember the name of.
>
> Here are my needs:
>
> 1. Runs under Windows 10 (linux optionally)
> 2. Has user selectable baud rates (I use 500K baud frequently)
> 3. Can use any Windows Com Port.
> 4. Can send files as raw binary
> 5. Has X-modem built in (nice but optional)
> 6. Has some kind of basic VT-100 support
> 7. Can display both ascii characters and binary data has hex numbers,
> preferably on alternate lines (hex above the ascii character like this:
> 45 76 65 72 79
> E V E R Y
> 8. Can send short manually entered strings in hex or ascii.
> 9. Can recognize protocols (based on start and/or end of text
characters)
> 10. Costs less than $100
> 11. Can Capture what comes in the port
> 12. Has local echo (when connected to systems that don't echo what you
> type)
> 13. Has a large scroll back buffer.
> 14. Has programmable macro buttons or function keys.
> 15. Can handle removal and insertion of the TTL to Serial USB converter
> without crashing.
>
> Thank you
>
Why just V100 and friends? How about
more of the vintage terminals of the 70's.
Since we have bit mapped graphics,we can finally have
over striked
characters for ALGOL or APL.
Ben.
PS
15 USB serial and USB sticks don't work together. You need a cold reboot
often to find the other device.
5:18 p.m.
New subject: Terminal Emulator
On Sep 30, 2021, at 6:02 PM, ben via cctalk <cctalk
at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 2021-09-30 1:18 p.m., Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
> I would ask Dave Mcguire (LSSM)
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 2:57 PM Mike Katz via cctalk <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
>> I am looking for a good terminal emulator. Not for connecting to older
>> computers serially but to connect with my embedded designs.
>> Do any of you have any recommendations.
>>
>> I've been using Realterm for years but it's not very good.
>>
>> I used UCON, hyper term, terra term, telix (going way back) and a few I
>> can't remember the name of.
>>
>> Here are my needs: ....
I like minicom, on Unix (Linux or Mac). Don't know about Windows, I avoid that like
the plague. It's open source, free.
> ...
> 15. Can handle removal and insertion of the TTL to Serial USB converter
> without crashing.
>
> Thank you
>
...
15 USB serial and USB sticks don't work together. You need a cold reboot
often to find the other device. 
1:45 p.m.
New subject: Terminal Emulator
I've been using a terminal emulator called ZOC. It comes in Windows and Mac flavors (I
use the Mac) It seems to fit most of your criteria.? I've been using it since V6
(current is V8) for connection to many different PDP-11's, VAXen, Alphas, RasPi,
device serial ports on switches, routers and storage servers. Setup can be a bit confusing
at first.? The app manages config files for keyboard types (yes, keyboards are
configurable - somewhat) and connection types.? I ended up creating a generic standard
config for VAXen, PDP, Alpha, etc and then saving a customized version for each individual
system.? They all get linked together by the connection manager.
Product Page: https://www.emtec.com/zoc/index.html
Features:? https://www.emtec.com/zoc/features.html
It has a 30 day free trial with no limitations so you can try it and see.
On 9/30/2021 1:57 PM, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
I am looking for a good terminal emulator.? Not for
connecting to older computers serially but to connect with my embedded designs.
Do any of you have any recommendations.
I've been using Realterm for years but it's not very good.
I used UCON, hyper term, terra term, telix (going way back) and a few I can't
remember the name of.
Here are my needs:
1.? Runs under Windows 10 (linux optionally)
??? Yes - Windows 7, 8 , 10 and
probably 11 when it comes
2. Has user selectable baud rates (I use 500K baud
frequently)
??? Yes - Baud rates from 300 to 921600 (460800 is the closest to
500k)
3. Can use any Windows Com Port.
??? Not sure
as I don't use Windows but I imagine any COM port will work
4. Can send files as raw binary
??? Yes - Raw
Binary or as ASCII
5. Has X-modem built in (nice but optional)
???
Yes - XModem, ZModem, YMode, Kermit, SCP, Sealink (?)
6. Has some kind of basic VT-100 support
???
Yes - VT100 or VT200 plus other Non-DEC
7. Can display both ascii characters and binary data
has hex numbers, preferably on alternate lines (hex above the ascii character like this:
??? ??? 45 76 65 72 79
???????? E??? V?? E?? R?? Y
??? No...? I don't see an option for this.? But
I've never seen an emulator that does.? You have one?
8. Can send short manually entered strings in hex or
ascii.
??? Doesn't appear to be able to do this.? But it might be possible with
a programmed macro (yes, it has a scripting language)
9. Can recognize protocols (based on start and/or end
of text characters)
??? Might be possible with the scripting language.
10. Costs less than $100
??? Price is $79.99 US
or ?79 for a version license.? Currently V8. When V9 comes then upgrade is $29.99 US or
?29
11. Can Capture what comes in the port
??? Yes
- Multiple logging and screen capture options
12. Has local echo (when connected to systems that
don't echo what you type)
??? Yes - Part of terminal settings
13. Has a large scroll back buffer.
??? Yes -
user selectable to about as large as your computer can handle
14. Has programmable macro buttons or function keys.
??? Yes - Optional Tool bar and user defined buttons
15. Can handle removal and insertion of the TTL to
Serial USB converter without crashing.
??? I don't think I have tried.? There
have been a couple times when it's hung up on me but that was possibly odd output from
a bum serial port.
Thank you
--
John H. Reinhardt
1 Oct
1 Oct
8:17 a.m.
New subject: Terminal Emulator
A few years ago, I looked at ZOC v7, and others. I opted for SecureCRT, and use it on my
Mac and my iPad. Though the Mac version is well over $100. It seems to have about the
best DEC Terminal emulation I could find on the Mac, and it supports keyboard mapping.
Zane
On Sep 30, 2021, at 1:45 PM, John H. Reinhardt via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I've been using a terminal emulator called ZOC. It comes in Windows and Mac flavors
(I use the Mac) It seems to fit most of your criteria. I've been using it since V6
(current is V8) for connection to many different PDP-11's, VAXen, Alphas, RasPi,
device serial ports on switches, routers and storage servers. Setup can be a bit confusing
at first. The app manages config files for keyboard types (yes, keyboards are
configurable - somewhat) and connection types. I ended up creating a generic standard
config for VAXen, PDP, Alpha, etc and then saving a customized version for each individual
system. They all get linked together by the connection manager.
Product Page: https://www.emtec.com/zoc/index.html
Features: https://www.emtec.com/zoc/features.html
It has a 30 day free trial with no limitations so you can try it and see.
9:36 a.m.
New subject: Terminal Emulator
Zane wrote...
A few years ago, I looked at ZOC v7, and others. I opted for SecureCRT, and use it on my
Mac and my iPad. Though the Mac version is well over $100. It seems to have about the
best DEC Terminal emulation I could find on the Mac, and it supports keyboard mapping.
----------
Seconded on "SecureCRT". It is one of the few programs that I pay for a license
for. I do believe it has the most complete/solid vt100 and other dec terms emulation I
have ever seen. Most other term progs only support the basics of vt100 and a few more
advanced options. I haven't found anything yet that securecrt doesn't implement
and implement correctly as far as vt100 goes. I have never needed anything color-related
though, that may or may not be as well done.
I paid for a windows license, but I believe I also get free access to linux and mac
versions just for licensing the windows version. In addition, every time I have emailed
them (Van Dyke) and said "hey, would be handy to have feature xxx", it has come
out in the next version. The really do listen to customers for product
enhancements/features.
It is the only term program I use, as it literally handles anything I've ever
considered possibly wanting to do (including a pretty full featured scripting language).
There is one exception - HP terminal emulation - specifically the ones with the 8 function
labels at the bottom of the screen. For anything old-HP related, I use QCterm. Also free,
and does a great job with all the funky HP terminal oddities ?
SecureCRT for windows - software + 1 year of support = $99usd. I do the 3yr option instead
which is $139usd. Of all the software products I have paid for, this one is probably the
best value to me.
J
10:34 a.m.
New subject: Terminal Emulator
On Oct 1, 2021, at 9:36 AM, <jwest at classiccmp.org> <jwest at
classiccmp.org> wrote:
Zane wrote...
A few years ago, I looked at ZOC v7, and others. I opted for SecureCRT, and use it on my
Mac and my iPad. Though the Mac version is well over $100. It seems to have about the
best DEC Terminal emulation I could find on the Mac, and it supports keyboard mapping.
----------
Seconded on "SecureCRT". It is one of the few programs that I pay for a license
for. I do believe it has the most complete/solid vt100 and other dec terms emulation I
have ever seen. Most other term progs only support the basics of vt100 and a few more
advanced options. I haven't found anything yet that securecrt doesn't implement
and implement correctly as far as vt100 goes. I have never needed anything color-related
though, that may or may not be as well done.
I paid for a windows license, but I believe I also get free access to linux and mac
versions just for licensing the windows version. In addition, every time I have emailed
them (Van Dyke) and said "hey, would be handy to have feature xxx", it has come
out in the next version. The really do listen to customers for product
enhancements/features.
It is the only term program I use, as it literally handles anything I've ever
considered possibly wanting to do (including a pretty full featured scripting language).
There is one exception - HP terminal emulation - specifically the ones with the 8 function
labels at the bottom of the screen. For anything old-HP related, I use QCterm. Also free,
and does a great job with all the funky HP terminal oddities ?
SecureCRT for windows - software + 1 year of support = $99usd. I do the 3yr option
instead which is $139usd. Of all the software products I have paid for, this one is
probably the best value to me.
J
I do keep a VT420 on a DECserver next to my Mac, as sometimes it?s more convenient to have
the proper LK401 keyboard. My only complaint about SecureCRT would be its handling of
Double-Width/Double-Height characters, but that?s not something you normally run into.
It would be nice if they?d add REGIS support. :-)
As long as you have active support, you get free upgrades.
It?s xterm emulation offers 256 colour. VT100/VT102/VT220/VT320 emulation offers ANSI
Colour, but I?ve never played with that. Trying it just now, it gives me colours on a
Linux system. I don?t know that I have anything on VMS that would give colours.
Zane
1:13 p.m.
New subject: Terminal Emulator
On 10/1/2021 12:34 PM, Zane Healy wrote:
On Oct 1, 2021, at 9:36 AM, <jwest at
classiccmp.org> <jwest at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I tried SecureCRT a couple of times, once for home use and once at work. I didn't
like it but I can't remember why. ZOC has done everything I need. Between the Matias
keyboard which has 19 F keys and the correct number of keypad keys (not PC layout) and the
ZOC keyboard mapping I have pretty much a VT200 style keyboard on my Mac.
Em-Tec gives product support for life, basically. I've emailed the author and gotten
responses and help immediately. Once you buy a version you get updates until the next
major version and if you buy late into the current version you often get the next version
free. That happened to me between V6 and V7. V7 went nearly 3 years before I had to
upgrade by paying $29.99.
In 2018 V7.21 of ZOC scored 105 (97 regular + 8 extra credit) on the VTTEST suite for
VT100/VT102 terminals.
file:///Volumes/Users/jhreinhardt/Downloads/ZOC_vttest_Score_Sheet-1.pdf
No REGIS graphics though. It will do the VT line drawing character set.
https://www.emtec.com/zoc/vt220-terminal-emulator.html
Double-width/double-height lines work
https://www.emtec.com/images/zoc/us/mainwinvt102_osx.png
I've not had it have a problem with any part of VT100/102/200 emulation that I can
remember.
--
John H. Reinhardt
Zane wrote...
A few years ago, I looked at ZOC v7, and others. I opted for SecureCRT, and use it on my
Mac and my iPad. Though the Mac version is well over $100. It seems to have about the
best DEC Terminal emulation I could find on the Mac, and it supports keyboard mapping.
----------
Seconded on "SecureCRT". It is one of the few programs that I pay for a license
for. I do believe it has the most complete/solid vt100 and other dec terms emulation I
have ever seen. Most other term progs only support the basics of vt100 and a few more
advanced options. I haven't found anything yet that securecrt doesn't implement
and implement correctly as far as vt100 goes. I have never needed anything color-related
though, that may or may not be as well done.
I paid for a windows license, but I believe I also get free access to linux and mac
versions just for licensing the windows version. In addition, every time I have emailed
them (Van Dyke) and said "hey, would be handy to have feature xxx", it has come
out in the next version. The really do listen to customers for product
enhancements/features.
It is the only term program I use, as it literally handles anything I've ever
considered possibly wanting to do (including a pretty full featured scripting language).
There is one exception - HP terminal emulation - specifically the ones with the 8 function
labels at the bottom of the screen. For anything old-HP related, I use QCterm. Also free,
and does a great job with all the funky HP terminal oddities ?
SecureCRT for windows - software + 1 year of support = $99usd. I do the 3yr option
instead which is $139usd. Of all the software products I have paid for, this one is
probably the best value to me.
J
I do keep a VT420 on a DECserver next to my Mac, as sometimes it?s more convenient to
have the proper LK401 keyboard. My only complaint about SecureCRT would be its handling
of Double-Width/Double-Height characters, but that?s not something you normally run into.
It would be nice if they?d add REGIS support. :-)
As long as you have active support, you get free upgrades.
It?s xterm emulation offers 256 colour. VT100/VT102/VT220/VT320 emulation offers ANSI
Colour, but I?ve never played with that. Trying it just now, it gives me colours on a
Linux system. I don?t know that I have anything on VMS that would give colours.
Zane
30 Sep
30 Sep
5:50 p.m.
New subject: Terminal Emulator
We use Teraterm at work - adequate, free, open-source(if that's important),
meets our needs for embedded development across a wide variety of
platforms.
YMMV,
Lee Courtney
On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:57 AM Mike Katz via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I am looking for a good terminal emulator. Not for
connecting to older
computers serially but to connect with my embedded designs.
Do any of you have any recommendations.
I've been using Realterm for years but it's not very good.
I used UCON, hyper term, terra term, telix (going way back) and a few I
can't remember the name of.
Here are my needs:
1. Runs under Windows 10 (linux optionally)
2. Has user selectable baud rates (I use 500K baud frequently)
3. Can use any Windows Com Port.
4. Can send files as raw binary
5. Has X-modem built in (nice but optional)
6. Has some kind of basic VT-100 support
7. Can display both ascii characters and binary data has hex numbers,
preferably on alternate lines (hex above the ascii character like this:
45 76 65 72 79
E V E R Y
8. Can send short manually entered strings in hex or ascii.
9. Can recognize protocols (based on start and/or end of text characters)
10. Costs less than $100
11. Can Capture what comes in the port
12. Has local echo (when connected to systems that don't echo what you
type)
13. Has a large scroll back buffer.
14. Has programmable macro buttons or function keys.
15. Can handle removal and insertion of the TTL to Serial USB converter
without crashing.
Thank you
--
Lee Courtney
+1-650-704-3934 cell
1 Oct
1 Oct
7:57 p.m.
New subject: Terminal Emulator
I use Teraterm too. Works both on Windoze and Mac. I like the ability to run scripts.
Marc
On Sep 30, 2021, at 5:51 PM, Lee Courtney via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
?We use Teraterm at work - adequate, free, open-source(if that's important),
meets our needs for embedded development across a wide variety of
platforms.
YMMV,
Lee Courtney
On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:57 AM Mike Katz via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I am looking for a good terminal emulator. Not for connecting to older
computers serially but to connect with my embedded designs.
Do any of you have any recommendations.
I've been using Realterm for years but it's not very good.
I used UCON, hyper term, terra term, telix (going way back) and a few I
can't remember the name of.
Here are my needs:
1. Runs under Windows 10 (linux optionally)
2. Has user selectable baud rates (I use 500K baud frequently)
3. Can use any Windows Com Port.
4. Can send files as raw binary
5. Has X-modem built in (nice but optional)
6. Has some kind of basic VT-100 support
7. Can display both ascii characters and binary data has hex numbers,
preferably on alternate lines (hex above the ascii character like this:
45 76 65 72 79
E V E R Y
8. Can send short manually entered strings in hex or ascii.
9. Can recognize protocols (based on start and/or end of text characters)
10. Costs less than $100
11. Can Capture what comes in the port
12. Has local echo (when connected to systems that don't echo what you
type)
13. Has a large scroll back buffer.
14. Has programmable macro buttons or function keys.
15. Can handle removal and insertion of the TTL to Serial USB converter
without crashing.
Thank you
--
Lee Courtney
+1-650-704-3934 cell
2 Oct
2 Oct
1:57 p.m.
New subject: Terminal Emulator
I had mentioned SecureCRT, it is my daily use ssh client. But if we want to focus on more
vintage software, my favorite terminal emulator is ProComm Plus, made by Datastorm. As it
happens, the two original authors/owners wrote it while living in my area (university). I
grew up using that one, and it is still installed on my move-around-rack-on-wheels system
that provides services to other machines in the collection (PUTR, etc).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datastorm_Technologies
7:54 p.m.
New subject: Terminal Emulator
I had mentioned SecureCRT, it is my daily use ssh
client. But if we
want to focus on more vintage software, my favorite terminal emulator
is ProComm Plus, made by Datastorm. As it happens, the two original
authors/owners wrote it while living in my area (university). I grew up
using that one, and it is still installed on my move-around-rack-on-
wheels system that provides services to other machines in the
collection (PUTR, etc).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datastorm_Technologies
Procomm was the first terminal program I used that was easy to understand and work with.
Of course I was using it mainly to dial BBSes at the time. I stayed with it for a few
iterations until I switched over to Telix and finally Terminate (interestingly
Terminate's web site forwards to protonmail.com now). There was also Windows version
of Procomm which was slower and had more bloatware features while being less reliable. The
last probably had to do more with the HW then the SW though. Downloading under windows
while multitasking was always a crap shoot! Plus you could not add more protocols easily
(e.g. HSLink) since most protocols were written for DOS and not a windows environment.
With windows I actually started using ZOC which seemed to run better and more reliably. It
was great for a bit but once the internet became a "thing" I walked away from
most of the terminal programs.
SecureCRT is great and very full featured. I use a very much older cousin called CRT with
my headless mini Linux server. Although I have also used it for such mundane tasks as
accessing APC UPS consoles and Netgear equipment, and even dialing a BBS. It does support
color, but at least for me, it has never been very accurate.
-Ali
10:16 p.m.
New subject: Terminal Emulator
I personally preferred Telix to Procomm.
It doesn't surprise me that this thread changed from what terminal
program will meet my needs today to what Terminal program have you used
in the past.
That's because all of us are just as vintage as our computers ?
On 10/2/2021 9:54 PM, Ali via cctalk wrote:
I had
mentioned SecureCRT, it is my daily use ssh client. But if we
want to focus on more vintage software, my favorite terminal emulator
is ProComm Plus, made by Datastorm. As it happens, the two original
authors/owners wrote it while living in my area (university). I grew up
using that one, and it is still installed on my move-around-rack-on-
wheels system that provides services to other machines in the
collection (PUTR, etc).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datastorm_Technologies
Procomm was the first terminal program I used that was easy to understand and work with.
Of course I was using it mainly to dial BBSes at the time. I stayed with it for a few
iterations until I switched over to Telix and finally Terminate (interestingly
Terminate's web site forwards to protonmail.com now). There was also Windows version
of Procomm which was slower and had more bloatware features while being less reliable. The
last probably had to do more with the HW then the SW though. Downloading under windows
while multitasking was always a crap shoot! Plus you could not add more protocols easily
(e.g. HSLink) since most protocols were written for DOS and not a windows environment.
With windows I actually started using ZOC which seemed to run better and more reliably.
It was great for a bit but once the internet became a "thing" I walked away from
most of the terminal programs.
SecureCRT is great and very full featured. I use a very much older cousin called CRT with
my headless mini Linux server. Although I have also used it for such mundane tasks as
accessing APC UPS consoles and Netgear equipment, and even dialing a BBS. It does support
color, but at least for me, it has never been very accurate.
-Ali
3 Oct
3 Oct
8:40 a.m.
New subject: Terminal Emulator
On 10/2/21 9:54 PM, Ali via cctalk wrote:
Just to throw in my two cents, I use minicom.? I run pretty
much an all-Linux shop here, and? minicom? does everything I
need. Communicates at various baud rates, records logs,
sends files.? I used it for years to send and save files
to/from a pick and place machine that only had serial I/O.
Also use it for boot level startup on BeagleBones.
Jon
2 p.m.
New subject: Terminal Emulator
On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 at 11:19, Ali via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Procomm was the first terminal program I used that was
easy to understand and work with.
Oh my, yes, agreed. *So* much easier than Crosstalk or most of the
other DOS biggies.
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12:05 p.m.
Also trying to figure out how to set switches as in
other KA/KL sims.
I can't seem to find a means of doing that in RC's KL.
https://github.com/rcornwell/sims/blob/master/PDP10/kl10_fe.c
has:
extern uint64 SW; /* Switch register */
....
/* Handle secondary protocol */
void dte_second(UNIT *uptr) {
...
case SEC_RDSW: /* Read switch register */
M[SEC_DTSWR + base] = SW;
M[SEC_DTF11 + base] = SW;
break;
In kx10_cpu.c
uint64 SW; /* Switch register */^M
....
REG cpu_reg[] = {
...
{ ORDATAD (SW, SW, 36, "Console SW Register"), REG_FIT},
This seems to work for me:
$ ./BIN/pdp10-kl
KL-10 simulator V4.0-0 Current git commit id: de400c67
sim> show
Too few arguments
sim> show cpu
CPU idle disabled, Serial: 1025 (default)
4MW, KL10A
sim> ex SW
SW: 000000000000
sim> dep SW 1
sim> ex sw
SW: 000000000001
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