Kermit, probably, unless you already have a terminal program with file transfer capability on the Apple. You can get versions for just about anything, at http://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/howtoget.html or mirror sites. Kermit can transfer binary files without loss or corruption between all sorts of systems. The tricky part is getting file transfer software onto the Apple in the first place. Kermit-65 (for the Apple ][) is available as a hex file which you can transfer fairly easily and convert to a working program; after that, the rest is easy. Look for the files that start "app..." for Kermit-65 for the Apple. ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/a/appaaa.hlp will tell you what they all are, and get you started. It's easier for the PC, all you need to do is download the relevant program (I'd suggest the slightly older DOS version, which is free, and works under Windows as well, despite the disclaimer -- or at least, it does for me). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York