Hi, Well for what it's worth, IBM still offers a bunch of random ancient manuals through the POS (publication ordering system), at http://www.elink.ibmlink.ibm.com/public/applications/publications/cgibin/pb… That's one nasty address, isn't it? ;p Anyway, I was searching around in there, and among other things, I ordered "IBM 360 model 67 functional characteristics" (GA27-2719). I'm going to call other vendors when I have time, I wanna see if I can get some 470 manuals from Amdahl, for instance. Unfortunately, I can't find the rest of the docs I need for my 8100's or for DPPX/SP, odd that I can't get manuals less than 20 years old but can get 360 manuals... Also, I know this will interest some of the list; assorted card punch manuals are available too. Will J ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com