21 Apr
2002
21 Apr
'02
8 a.m.
On April 21, Ben Franchuk wrote:
What does that have to do with it?
-Dave
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Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big."
St. Petersburg, FL -Den
There is a
demo version of nearly every high-cost ($2000 isn't that high, btw,
though the Windows environment has made it so.) Get a comparable product for
UNIX, and you'll get no improvement, nor will you get source. All you'll get
is a bigger bill.
LINUX != UNIX. ( But you are right ) 
21 Apr
21 Apr
8:41 a.m.
What it clearly says if you don't prune the context is that I'm not alone in
my observation that UNIX stuff costs 10x-100x what the comparable DOS/Windows
stuff costs. This may not be a balanced comparison, since Ben's looking at
the same sort of stuff I'm looking at much of the time, but it does suggest
that I'm not alone in my observation.
Dick
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What does that have to do with it?
-Dave
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Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big."
St. Petersburg, FL -Den
On April 21, Ben Franchuk wrote:
> > There is a demo version of nearly every high-cost ($2000 isn't that
high, btw,
> > though the Windows environment has made it
so.) Get a comparable
product for
> > UNIX, and you'll get no improvement, nor
will you get source. All
you'll get
is a bigger bill.
LINUX != UNIX. ( But you are right ) 
9:39 a.m.
Quothe Richard Erlacher, from writings of Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 11:41:13AM -0600:
What it clearly says if you don't prune the
context is that I'm not alone in
my observation that UNIX stuff costs 10x-100x what the comparable DOS/Windows
Apparently it has something to do with the belief that if they sell it
to a MS-DOS/Windoze/Macintosh user, they're selling it for use by a
single user. If they sell it for use on a system running UNIX, VMS,
AOS/VS, etc., then, unless they can limit the number of users that can
use it, they make the assumption that multiple users will use it.
Apparently some biz'droids appear to think that only large businesses
and government agencies, which can typically afford to pay higher
prices, use multi-user operating systems; or that's how it appears
anyway. Also, perhaps some of the software companies are thinking:
"hmmm, they could afford to pay a lot more for that Sun or VAX than a
PeeCee, so, we can get more money from them for software to run on
that Sun or VAX."
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10:34 a.m.
True, perhaps, but ... see below ...
Dick
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From: "R. D. Davis" <rdd(a)rddavis.org>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)
Quothe Richard Erlacher, from writings of Sun, Apr 21,
2002 at
11:41:13AM -0600:
> What it clearly says if you don't prune the
context is that I'm not alone
in
> my observation that UNIX stuff costs 10x-100x
what the comparable
DOS/Windows
Apparently it has something to do with the belief that if they sell it
to a MS-DOS/Windoze/Macintosh user, they're selling it for use by a
single user. If they sell it for use on a system running UNIX, VMS,
AOS/VS, etc., then, unless they can limit the number of users that can
use it,
That's clearly not rocket science, since that's a feature I've seen on EVERY
Unix-based EDA application I've ever used.
they make the assumption that multiple users will use
it.
Apparently some biz'droids appear to think that
only large businesses
and government agencies, which can typically afford to pay higher
prices, use multi-user operating systems; or that's how it appears
anyway. Also, perhaps some of the software companies are thinking:
"hmmm, they could afford to pay a lot more for that Sun or VAX than a
PeeCee, so, we can get more money from them for software to run on
that Sun or VAX."
Aside from all that, times have changed. Nobody with any sense develops
applications aside from what's used in communications for UNIX any more, since
nobody wants to use it who's got to learn it first.
11:36 a.m.
On 21 Apr 2002, R. D. Davis wrote:
Quothe Richard Erlacher, from writings of Sun, Apr 21,
2002 at 11:41:13AM -0600:
Another major price consideration is probably the tolerance levels of
the respective admins/users. Unix admins tend to want bugs fixed. Now.
Windows users/admins, even at enterprise levels, are much more likely to
accept the "We'll fix that in the next version" solution. Even knowing
that it's really "We'll fix that in the next version and charge you for
it."
Doc
What it clearly says if you don't prune the
context is that I'm not alone in
my observation that UNIX stuff costs 10x-100x what the comparable DOS/Windows
Apparently it has something to do with the belief that if they sell it
to a MS-DOS/Windoze/Macintosh user, they're selling it for use by a
single user. If they sell it for use on a system running UNIX, VMS,
AOS/VS, etc., then, unless they can limit the number of users that can
use it, they make the assumption that multiple users will use it.
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