26 Sep
2011
26 Sep
'11
6:32 a.m.
Apart from Lawrence, who AIUI is a former user - as he just gave me a
pile of OS/2 boxes yesterday :?) - are there any other OS/2 users on
the list? Or are there any active OS/2 mailing lists still around?
I am wondering if I can get a copy of the subscription-only last
couple of fixpacks for Warp 4 anywhere. I believe there were entirely
discontinued around 2007, so I really doubt that IBM cares any more!
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26 Sep
26 Sep
6:45 a.m.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 02:32:36PM +0100, Liam Proven wrote:
I am wondering if I can get a copy of the
subscription-only last
couple of fixpacks for Warp 4 anywhere. I believe there were entirely
discontinued around 2007, so I really doubt that IBM cares any more!
I might have copies of them in a directory called 'Archive/OS2' on my
machine at home - I'll have a look later on.
Poggs
6:54 a.m.
On 26 September 2011 14:45, Peter Hicks <peter.hicks at poggs.co.uk> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 02:32:36PM +0100, Liam Proven
wrote:
Coo, cheers!
I didn't know you were on here... :?)
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I am wondering if I can get a copy of the
subscription-only last
couple of fixpacks for Warp 4 anywhere. I believe there were entirely
discontinued around 2007, so I really doubt that IBM cares any more!
I might have copies of them in a directory called 'Archive/OS2' on my
machine at home - I'll have a look later on. 
6:59 a.m.
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Liam Proven wrote:
Apart from Lawrence, who AIUI is a former user - as he
just gave me a
pile of OS/2 boxes yesterday :?) - are there any other OS/2 users on
the list? Or are there any active OS/2 mailing lists still around?
I am wondering if I can get a copy of the subscription-only last
couple of fixpacks for Warp 4 anywhere. I believe there were entirely
discontinued around 2007, so I really doubt that IBM cares any more!
Liam, you might want to check out eComStation: http://www.ecomstation.com/
g.
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7:09 a.m.
On 26 September 2011 14:59, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Liam Proven wrote:
Yup - I have review copies of 1 and 2. Can't get them to install on
any of my test machines and they've wiped entire partition tables -
erasing various Linuxes they were meant to be multi-booting with -
when I've tried.
But I fancy a bit of retro non-Windows-OS fun. :?)
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Apart from Lawrence, who AIUI is a former user -
as he just gave me a
pile of OS/2 boxes yesterday :?) - are there any other OS/2 users on
the list? Or are there any active OS/2 mailing lists still around?
I am wondering if I can get a copy of the subscription-only last
couple of fixpacks for Warp 4 anywhere. I believe there were entirely
discontinued around 2007, so I really doubt that IBM cares any more!
Liam, you might want to check out eComStation: http://www.ecomstation.com/
7:35 a.m.
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Liam Proven wrote:
On 26 September 2011 14:59, Gene Buckle <geneb at
deltasoft.com> wrote:
You can always download a free copy of VMWare Player and use that. :)
g.
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http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical
minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which
holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd
by the clean end.
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Liam Proven wrote:
Yup - I have review copies of 1 and 2. Can't get them to install on
any of my test machines and they've wiped entire partition tables -
erasing various Linuxes they were meant to be multi-booting with -
when I've tried.
But I fancy a bit of retro non-Windows-OS fun. :?) Apart from Lawrence, who AIUI is a former user -
as he just gave me a
pile of OS/2 boxes yesterday :?) - are there any other OS/2 users on
the list? Or are there any active OS/2 mailing lists still around?
I am wondering if I can get a copy of the subscription-only last
couple of fixpacks for Warp 4 anywhere. I believe there were entirely
discontinued around 2007, so I really doubt that IBM cares any more!
Liam, you might want to check out eComStation: http://www.ecomstation.com/
8:26 a.m.
On 26 September 2011 15:35, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Liam Proven wrote:
I have done. Most annoying that it won't work under VirtualBox, which
is what I normally use.
But real hardware is more fun.
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On 26 September 2011 14:59, Gene Buckle <geneb
at deltasoft.com> wrote:
You can always download a free copy of VMWare Player and use that. :)
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Liam Proven wrote:
Yup - I have review copies of 1 and 2. Can't get them to install on
any of my test machines and they've wiped entire partition tables -
erasing various Linuxes they were meant to be multi-booting with -
when I've tried.
But I fancy a bit of retro non-Windows-OS fun. :?) Apart from Lawrence, who AIUI is a former user -
as he just gave me a
pile of OS/2 boxes yesterday :?) - are there any other OS/2 users on
the list? Or are there any active OS/2 mailing lists still around?
I am wondering if I can get a copy of the subscription-only last
couple of fixpacks for Warp 4 anywhere. I believe there were entirely
discontinued around 2007, so I really doubt that IBM cares any more!
Liam, you might want to check out eComStation:
http://www.ecomstation.com/ 
10:38 a.m.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:
I have done. Most annoying that it won't work
under VirtualBox, which
is what I normally use.
But real hardware is more fun.
That's funny that eComstation would fail on VBox, because Warp 4
actually worked fine on it the last time I tried it...
Mike
11:14 a.m.
On 09/26/2011 01:38 PM, Michael Kerpan wrote:
OS/2/s use of the processor's Ring 2 is what trips is up on most
virtualization platforms.
-Dave
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I have done.
Most annoying that it won't work under VirtualBox, which
is what I normally use.
But real hardware is more fun.
That's funny that eComstation would fail on VBox, because Warp 4
actually worked fine on it the last time I tried it...
12:47 p.m.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
I know. But VirtualBox claims to support OS/2 as long as the hardware
VM stuff is turned on in the BIOS
Mike
That's
funny that eComstation would fail on VBox, because Warp 4
actually worked fine on it the last time I tried it...
?OS/2/s use of the processor's Ring 2 is what trips is up on most
virtualization platforms.
7:19 p.m.
On 26 September 2011 20:47, Michael Kerpan <madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Dave McGuire
<mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
I know. But VirtualBox claims to support OS/2 as long as the hardware
VM stuff is turned on in the BIOS
And with that caveat in mind, can you now answer your earlier question
to me for yourself? :?)
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That's funny that eComstation would fail on VBox, because Warp 4
actually worked fine on it the last time I tried it...
?OS/2/s use of the processor's Ring 2 is what trips is up on most
virtualization platforms. 
27 Sep
27 Sep
4:45 a.m.
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 09/26/2011 01:38 PM, Michael Kerpan wrote:
OS/2/s use of the processor's Ring 2 is what trips is up on most
virtualization platforms.
The original Parallels release for 32-bit Linux was optimized for running
OS/2. The story I recall is that it was written for use by Russian banks,
who were heavily dependent on OS/2 running on aging Microchannel hardware.
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I have
done. Most annoying that it won't work under VirtualBox, which
is what I normally use.
But real hardware is more fun.
That's funny that eComstation would fail on VBox, because Warp 4
actually worked fine on it the last time I tried it... 
5:55 a.m.
New subject: OS/2 VM
On 09/27/11 07:45, Steven Hirsch wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Dave McGuire wrote:
Originally there was VirtualPC by Connectix which ran as host under Windows
and Mac PPC but ran OS/2 really well within the VM. In 2001 or so a German
company, Innotek, was contracted to release an OS/2-eCS hosted version.
http://www.os2voice.org/VNL/past_issues/VNL0602H/vnewsf2.htm This was
developed using an updated version version of IBM's win32 API subsystem for
OS/2 called Odin. http://svn.netlabs.org/odin32 OS/2 actually had the
ability to run win32 programs by translating the win32 API to OS/2s native
API, but IBM gave up because Microsoft kept changing the win32 API. Then
in 2004 Microsoft bought Connectix's IP and killed off both the Mac and
OS/2 versions. They then supposedly worked on incorporating the VM into
newer Windows releases. I don't use Windows so I have no idea how that
turned out.
At about the same time as Microsoft was killing VirtualPC, a Russian
company that I seem to recall was named 2P2, was developing a VM to run
OS/2 virtually on Windows. I think it was for Russian/European banks as
you said. They contracted with Serenity Systems (the OEM vender for
eComStation branded version of OS/2) for a version called SVista
(http://www.serenityvirtual.com) which never left beta quality stage, but
ran hosted on Linux, Windows, BSD and OS/2-eCS. Then all of a sudden the
company was bought and renamed Parallels and released a product which ran
on Intel OSX,windows and Linux, but not OS/2. As I recall this became a
big reason people started to consider Macs since they could run their
Windows applications.
In the mean time Innotek, the developers who ported VirtualPC to OS/2 began
working on a new open source VM called VirtualBox. They were bought out by
Sun, who was later bought out by Oracle. VBox was only released officially
for Windows, OS X, Linux and Solaris, but never OS/2. But the Community
open source has been compiled for OS/2, it just isn't supported and doesn't
have some features of the released platforms.
I just find it interesting how each time there was a new VM product for
OS/2, something dramatic always seemed to happen to kill off the OS/2 version.
Mark
On 09/26/2011 01:38 PM, Michael Kerpan wrote:
OS/2/s use of the processor's Ring 2 is what trips is up on most
virtualization platforms.
The original Parallels release for 32-bit Linux was optimized for running
OS/2. The story I recall is that it was written for use by Russian banks,
who were heavily dependent on OS/2 running on aging Microchannel hardware.
I have
done. Most annoying that it won't work under VirtualBox, which
is what I normally use.
But real hardware is more fun.
That's funny that eComstation would fail on VBox, because Warp 4
actually worked fine on it the last time I tried it... 
7:37 a.m.
New subject: OS/2 VM
At 07:55 AM 9/27/2011, madodel wrote:
Then in 2004 Microsoft bought Connectix's IP and
killed off both the Mac and OS/2 versions. They then supposedly worked on incorporating
the VM into newer Windows releases. I don't use Windows so I have no idea how that
turned out.
Windows 7 Professional includes "Windows XP Mode" based on Virtual PC.
- John
8:02 a.m.
New subject: OS/2 VM
Gotta love how they don't include XP mode in the basic Win 7, you have
to pay more to have backwards compatibility.... MS just never learns!
John Foust wrote:
At 07:55 AM 9/27/2011, madodel wrote:
Then in 2004 Microsoft bought Connectix's IP
and killed off both the Mac and OS/2 versions. They then supposedly worked on
incorporating the VM into newer Windows releases. I don't use Windows so I have no
idea how that turned out.
Windows 7 Professional includes "Windows XP Mode" based on Virtual PC.
- John
8:13 a.m.
New subject: OS/2 VM
Clearly, seeing as they're now bankrupt. If only they'd included XP
mode in Win7 Home edition!
Josh
On 9/27/2011 8:02 AM, Curt @ Atari Museum wrote:
Gotta love how they don't include XP mode in the
basic Win 7, you have
to pay more to have backwards compatibility.... MS just never learns!
John Foust wrote:
At 07:55 AM 9/27/2011, madodel wrote:
Then in 2004 Microsoft bought Connectix's IP
and killed off both the
Mac and OS/2 versions. They then supposedly worked on incorporating
the VM into newer Windows releases. I don't use Windows so I have
no idea how that turned out.
Windows 7 Professional includes "Windows XP Mode" based on Virtual PC.
- John
8:50 a.m.
New subject: OS/2 VM
At 10:02 AM 9/27/2011, Curt @ Atari Museum wrote:
Gotta love how they don't include XP mode in the
basic Win 7, you have to pay more to have backwards compatibility.... MS just never
learns!
It's an odd inclusion. Virtual PC is a free download. What are you really
paying for? The extra WinXP license.
- John
9:04 a.m.
New subject: OS/2 VM
On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:50 AM, John Foust wrote:
At 10:02 AM 9/27/2011, Curt @ Atari Museum wrote:
And that's strange because your Windows 7 license is supposed to enable you to use
older Windows version in the same license class at your option.
Google for "windows downgrade rights"
Gotta love how they don't include XP mode in
the basic Win 7, you have to pay more to have backwards compatibility.... MS just never
learns!
It's an odd inclusion. Virtual PC is a free download. What are you really
paying for? The extra WinXP license.
- John
9:25 a.m.
New subject: OS/2 VM
At 11:04 AM 9/27/2011, Daniel Seagraves wrote:
And that's strange because your Windows 7 license
is supposed to enable you to use older Windows version in the same license class at your
option.
Google for "windows downgrade rights"
Yeah, but not at the same time. One or the other.
- John
4:28 p.m.
New subject: OS/2 VM
Daniel Seagraves wrote:
And that's strange because your Windows 7 license
is supposed to
enable you to use older Windows version in the same license class
at your option. Google for "windows downgrade rights"
Downgrade rights are only granted with OEM versions of Windows 7
Professional and Windows 7 Ultimate. Downgrade rights do not apply to
other editions such as Windows 7 Home Premium. Downgrade rights do not
apply to any of the retail-packaged editions of Windows 7, even
Professional or Ultimate.
You still have to get a suitable license key for the older version of
Windows from Microsoft. Your Windows 7 license key will not work in an
older version of Windows.
If you use your downgrade right to use an older version of Windows, you
are not allowed to use the newer version of Windows "at the same time".
For example, if you are running Windows 7 on a machine, the downgrade
rights do not cover running an older version of Windows in a virtual
machine. (The use of Windows XP mode on Windows 7 is NOT part of the
downgrade rights.)
26 Sep
26 Sep
8:41 a.m.
Me me me !!! Love OS/2 --- it should've been the winner over
Windows, damn VxD's that Microsoft put into Windows killed any chance of
cross platform application compatibility It took to Windows 2000
before MS caught up with OS/2
Liam Proven wrote:
Apart from Lawrence, who AIUI is a former user - as he
just gave me a
pile of OS/2 boxes yesterday :?) - are there any other OS/2 users on
the list? Or are there any active OS/2 mailing lists still around?
I am wondering if I can get a copy of the subscription-only last
couple of fixpacks for Warp 4 anywhere. I believe there were entirely
discontinued around 2007, so I really doubt that IBM cares any more!
3:49 p.m.
On 09/26/11 09:32, Liam Proven wrote:
Apart from Lawrence, who AIUI is a former user - as he
just gave me a
pile of OS/2 boxes yesterday :?) - are there any other OS/2 users on
the list? Or are there any active OS/2 mailing lists still around?
There are several as well as the comp.os.os2.misc group on usenet.
OS/2 User is still fairly active http://groups.yahoo.com/group/os2user/
There is a very active OS/2 UK list but you have to send an email to
os2-uk-request at os2.org.uk
with following in body
subscribe os2-uk
Aussies also have a fairly active list http://www.os2.org.au/list/
There is a detailed list of OS/2 and eCS related mailing lists at
http://www.os2voice.org/mailinglists.html but it hasn't been updated in a
long time so many may be dead lists.
Finally there are ecomstation news groups on their own server
(news.ecomstation.nl) including one for running OS/2 or eCS in a VM
ecomstation.support.virtualpc
I am wondering if I can get a copy of the subscription-only last
couple of fixpacks for Warp 4 anywhere. I believe there were entirely
discontinued around 2007, so I really doubt that IBM cares any more!
There is FP 16, 17 and 18. All were only available on IBM's Software
Choice which is long ago defunct. I never subscribed to SWC so I never got
these. Last W4 FP I have is FP15 which you can get at
http://www.os2site.com/sw/upgrades/warp4/index.html
Mark
7:20 p.m.
On 26 September 2011 23:49, madodel <madodel at ptdprolog.net> wrote:
On 09/26/11 09:32, Liam Proven wrote:
Thanks! Very helpful and informative.
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Apart from Lawrence, who AIUI is a former user - as he just gave me a
pile of OS/2 boxes yesterday :?) - are there any other OS/2 users on
the list? Or are there any active OS/2 mailing lists still around?
There are several as well as the comp.os.os2.misc group on usenet.
OS/2 User is still fairly active http://groups.yahoo.com/group/os2user/
There is a very active OS/2 UK list but you have to send an email to
? ? ? ?os2-uk-request at os2.org.uk
with following in body
? ?subscribe os2-uk
Aussies also have a fairly active list http://www.os2.org.au/list/
There is a detailed list of OS/2 and eCS related mailing lists at
http://www.os2voice.org/mailinglists.html but it hasn't been updated in a
long time so many may be dead lists.
Finally there are ecomstation news groups on their own server
(news.ecomstation.nl) including one for running OS/2 or eCS in a VM
ecomstation.support.virtualpc
I am wondering if I can get a copy of the subscription-only last
couple of fixpacks for Warp 4 anywhere. I believe there were entirely
discontinued around 2007, so I really doubt that IBM cares any more!
There is FP 16, 17 and 18. ?All were only available on IBM's Software Choice
which is long ago defunct. ?I never subscribed to SWC so I never got these.
?Last W4 FP I have is FP15 which you can get at
http://www.os2site.com/sw/upgrades/warp4/index.html 
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