13 Jun
2015
13 Jun
'15
5:29 p.m.
I'm having trouble with the password reset procedure (but will resolve it by
the end of this message). When I run AUTHORIZE, I get this:
[snip]
$ set noon
set noon
$ spawn /nowait sys$system:startup.com
spawn /nowait sys$system:startup.com
%DCL-S-SPAWNED, process SYSTEM_1 spawned
$
%DCL-W-NOLBLS, label ignored - use only within command procedures
\SYS$SYSTEM:\
%DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimiter - check use of special characters
\.COM\
Did I say that?
I meant:
$ spawn /nowait @sys$system:startup.com
(sorry)
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
13 Jun
13 Jun
6:51 p.m.
On Jun 13, 2015, at 14:29, Peter Coghlan <cctalk at
beyondthepale.ie> wrote:
Did I say that?
I meant:
$ spawn /nowait @sys$system:startup.com
(sorry)
Aha! Now I understand.
Ok, I have the SYSTEM password reset, and the license pak installed. Next task is to
perform backups. First attempt to do that has presented my next learning opportunity:
How do I respond to tape mount requests on the same console where I'm running BACKUP?
When I get the request asking whether to create a new tape volume, it doesn't seem to
respond to terminal input.
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net>
http://www.nf6x.net/
7:46 p.m.
Very good progress.
Suggest you initialize and mount the tapes first, then do the backup.
$init mta0:/density=1600 JUN2015
$mount mta0: JUN2015
Substitute your actual tape device name for mta0: and need to use /density as
applicable.
Jerry Weiss, WB9MRI
jsw at ieee.org
On Jun 13, 2015, at 5:51 PM, Mark J. Blair <nf6x at
nf6x.net> wrote:
On Jun 13, 2015, at 14:29, Peter Coghlan
<cctalk at beyondthepale.ie> wrote:
Did I say that?
I meant:
$ spawn /nowait @sys$system:startup.com
(sorry)
Aha! Now I understand.
Ok, I have the SYSTEM password reset, and the license pak installed. Next task is to
perform backups. First attempt to do that has presented my next learning opportunity:
How do I respond to tape mount requests on the same console where I'm running BACKUP?
When I get the request asking whether to create a new tape volume, it doesn't seem to
respond to terminal input.
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net>
http://www.nf6x.net/
8:13 p.m.
I figured out pre-initializing the tape by trial and error, but now I'm stuck at
knowing how to respond when I get the OPCON request for another tape. The system drive has
too much data for one tape, but at least I managed to make it through writing one tape.
On Jun 13, 2015, at 16:46, Jerry Weiss <jsw at
ieee.org> wrote:
Very good progress.
Suggest you initialize and mount the tapes first, then do the backup.
$init mta0:/density=1600 JUN2015
$mount mta0: JUN2015
Substitute your actual tape device name for mta0: and need to use /density as
applicable.
Jerry Weiss, WB9MRI
jsw at ieee.org
On Jun 13, 2015, at 5:51 PM, Mark J. Blair
<nf6x at nf6x.net> wrote:
On Jun 13, 2015, at 14:29, Peter Coghlan
<cctalk at beyondthepale.ie> wrote:
Did I say that?
I meant:
$ spawn /nowait @sys$system:startup.com
(sorry)
Aha! Now I understand.
Ok, I have the SYSTEM password reset, and the license pak installed. Next task is to
perform backups. First attempt to do that has presented my next learning opportunity:
How do I respond to tape mount requests on the same console where I'm running BACKUP?
When I get the request asking whether to create a new tape volume, it doesn't seem to
respond to terminal input.
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net>
http://www.nf6x.net/
8:22 p.m.
Incidentally, today's session would have consumed 130 pages of greenbar if I
hadn't used a terminal emulator. VMS sure has a lot to get off its chest! :)
8:28 p.m.
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Mark J. Blair <nf6x at nf6x.net> wrote:
I figured out pre-initializing the tape by trial and
error, but now I'm stuck at knowing how to respond when I get the OPCON request for
another tape. The system drive has too much data for one tape, but at least I managed to
make it through writing one tape.
Maybe this would apply here? I have never used this myself.
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/documentation/pdf/OVMS_73_sysman1.PDF
OpenVMS System Manager?s Manual, Volume1: Essentials
Order Number: AA-PV5MF-TK
Managing Storage Media
9.8 Mounting Tape Volume Sets
9.8.2.4 Sending Messages Back to Users
After loading the continuation volume on the drive specified in the
mount request, mount the volume by entering the REPLY command with one
of the three qualifiers shown in Table 9?16. For more information
about these qualifiers, refer to the OpenVMS DCL Dictionary.
Table 9-16 REPLY Command Qualifiers for Continuation Volumes
8:45 p.m.
Thanks, I will read that. But how do I enter the reply command when the BACKUP program is
hogging the console? Is there a VMS equivalent to the way a task can be suspended in UNIX
with ^Z?
On Jun 13, 2015, at 17:28, Glen Slick <glen.slick
at gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Mark J. Blair
<nf6x at nf6x.net> wrote:
I figured out pre-initializing the tape by trial and error, but now I'm stuck at
knowing how to respond when I get the OPCON request for another tape. The system drive has
too much data for one tape, but at least I managed to make it through writing one tape.
Maybe this would apply here? I have never used this myself.
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/documentation/pdf/OVMS_73_sysman1.PDF
OpenVMS System Manager?s Manual, Volume1: Essentials
Order Number: AA-PV5MF-TK
Managing Storage Media
9.8 Mounting Tape Volume Sets
9.8.2.4 Sending Messages Back to Users
After loading the continuation volume on the drive specified in the
mount request, mount the volume by entering the REPLY command with one
of the three qualifiers shown in Table 9?16. For more information
about these qualifiers, refer to the OpenVMS DCL Dictionary.
Table 9-16 REPLY Command Qualifiers for Continuation Volumes
9:01 p.m.
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Mark J. Blair <nf6x at nf6x.net> wrote:
Thanks, I will read that. But how do I enter the reply
command when the BACKUP program is hogging the console? Is there a VMS equivalent to the
way a task can be suspended in UNIX with ^Z?
I'm no expert, but I think you can sometimes do ^Y, and then CONTINUE,
but only if you only execute built-in commands between the ^Y and the
CONTINUE.
9:04 p.m.
Thanks! I will try that out.
On Jun 13, 2015, at 18:01, Glen Slick <glen.slick
at gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Mark J. Blair
<nf6x at nf6x.net> wrote:
Thanks, I will read that. But how do I enter the reply command when the BACKUP program is
hogging the console? Is there a VMS equivalent to the way a task can be suspended in UNIX
with ^Z?
I'm no expert, but I think you can sometimes do ^Y, and then CONTINUE,
but only if you only execute built-in commands between the ^Y and the
CONTINUE.
9:40 p.m.
If you are running backup and it is asking for additional tapes, then I believe you can do
the following
^Y
$spawn
$
$reply/enable=all
initialize additional tapes as needed (prior tape should have rewound?)
mount tape
$reply/to=MESSAGEID
$exit
$continue
Jerry Weiss WB9MRI
jsw at ieee.org
On Jun 13, 2015, at 8:04 PM, Mark J. Blair <nf6x at
nf6x.net> wrote:
Thanks! I will try that out.
> On Jun 13, 2015, at 18:01, Glen Slick <glen.slick at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Mark J. Blair <nf6x at nf6x.net> wrote:
>> Thanks, I will read that. But how do I enter the reply command when the BACKUP
program is hogging the console? Is there a VMS equivalent to the way a task can be
suspended in UNIX with ^Z?
>
> I'm no expert, but I think you can sometimes do ^Y, and then CONTINUE,
> but only if you only execute built-in commands between the ^Y and the
> CONTINUE.
10:06 p.m.
Thanks! I'll look up all of those commands to understand them better.
^Y looks familiar. I think this is the second time I have learned about it. :)
On Jun 13, 2015, at 18:40, Jerry Weiss <jsw at
ieee.org> wrote:
If you are running backup and it is asking for additional tapes, then I believe you can
do the following
^Y
$spawn
$
$reply/enable=all
initialize additional tapes as needed (prior tape should have rewound?)
mount tape
$reply/to=MESSAGEID
$exit
$continue
Jerry Weiss WB9MRI
jsw at ieee.org
On Jun 13, 2015, at 8:04 PM, Mark J. Blair
<nf6x at nf6x.net> wrote:
Thanks! I will try that out.
>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 18:01, Glen Slick <glen.slick at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Mark J. Blair <nf6x at nf6x.net> wrote:
>> Thanks, I will read that. But how do I enter the reply command when the BACKUP
program is hogging the console? Is there a VMS equivalent to the way a task can be
suspended in UNIX with ^Z?
>
> I'm no expert, but I think you can sometimes do ^Y, and then CONTINUE,
> but only if you only execute built-in commands between the ^Y and the
> CONTINUE.
14 Jun
14 Jun
4:25 a.m.
I'm still fumbling around with the multi-tape backup of the R80 drive and haven't
quite gotten it working yet. But I've made some other good progress! That RL02 pack
labeled "VMS53RL02SYS" does contain a working VMS 5.3 installation. I backed it
up to tape while booted from the R80, then did a conversational boot on it to reset the
SYSTEM password. Now I boot from that pack while trying to get the backup of the R80 drive
working, so I can have the R80 drive mounted read-only.
I also ran off recursive directory listings of both drives while logging in my terminal
emulator, so I can go through them later to see if anything interesting is in there.
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net>
http://www.nf6x.net/
15 Jun
15 Jun
12:50 p.m.
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015, Mark J. Blair wrote:
Thanks, I will read that. But how do I enter the reply
command when the
BACKUP program is hogging the console? Is there a VMS equivalent to the
way a task can be suspended in UNIX with ^Z?
There are several:
$ submit /queue=sys$batch /noprint foo.com
$ run /detached foo.exe
$ spawn /nolog /process==spawned_foo foo.exe
You need to read a little tome entitled "Mastering VMS" by David W. Byron or
maybe "The VMS User's Manual" that came with VAX/VMS Version 5.
--
Richard Loken VE6BSV, Unix System Administrator : "Anybody can be a father
Athabasca University : but you have to earn
Athabasca, Alberta Canada : the title of 'daddy'"
** richardlo at admin.athabascau.ca ** : - Lynn Johnston
2:02 p.m.
On Jun 15, 2015, at 09:50 , Richard Loken
<richardlo at admin.athabascau.ca> wrote:
You need to read a little tome entitled "Mastering VMS" by David W. Byron or
maybe "The VMS User's Manual" that came with VAX/VMS Version 5.
I'll look for those. Thanks!
ANd the /NOASSIST switch worked for me. I didn't even need to pre-initialize the
tapes. I'll probably look into doing things the more traditional batch way once I have
multiple terminals and/or networking set up, but for now it's a
single-user/single-terminal system.
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net>
http://www.nf6x.net/
12:41 p.m.
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015, Mark J. Blair wrote:
How do I respond to tape mount requests on the same
console where I'm
running BACKUP? When I get the request asking whether to create a new tape
volume, it doesn't seem to respond to terminal input.
First, initialize all the tapes you might need using the same label as you
will use when you run backup.
Second, run your backups as a batch job and then VMS does not expect you to
reply to requests for new tapes, he just expects the tape to appear.
Third, use the "/noassist" parameter - that makes it clear to VMS that the
operator has been laid off and is now working as a greeter at Walmart.
--
Richard Loken VE6BSV, Unix System Administrator : "Anybody can be a father
Athabasca University : but you have to earn
Athabasca, Alberta Canada : the title of 'daddy'"
** richardlo at admin.athabascau.ca ** : - Lynn Johnston
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