10 Jan
1999
10 Jan
'99
10:56 a.m.
At 12:53 PM 1/9/99 +1030, you wrote:
Are they polymer rather than paper like all ours are
now?
Still paper, but with a few more security features.
To save money, the govt withdrew all coins below 5c, we
now have $1 & $2
coins,
The US could have hundreds of millions of dollars by doing that (at least
$1 coins) but it has been demonstrated around the world that the only way
to do that *successfully* is to pull the bills out of circulation
immediately as the coins are released.
Our "Susie B" dollar was a failed attempt -- becuase the bill was not
pulled. People claim silly things like it was too close in size to the
quarter (BS - try it sometime) or it was too heavy.
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10 Jan
10 Jan
4:56 p.m.
At 12:53 PM 1/9/99 +1030, you wrote:
The US could have hundreds of millions of dollars by
doing that (at least
$1 coins) but it has been demonstrated around the world that the only way
to do that *successfully* is to pull the bills out of circulation
immediately as the coins are released.
Our "Susie B" dollar was a failed attempt -- becuase the bill was not
pulled. People claim silly things like it was too close in size to the
quarter (BS - try it sometime) or it was too heavy.
This is really getting off-topic.
But... I heard a debate on NPR between a coin advocate and a bill advocate.
I think they both had vested interests (i.e., the bill advocate works for a
company that makes bill acceptors). It was a ridiculous argument -- you
could tell that each man had an axe to grind.
And on another subject, have you had any luck rounding up a Grid floppy
cable or the laptop you were going to look for? In a pinch, I could bring
the Grid in my closet to class (if I had a way to put software on the hard
drive, that is). I'm still interested in a plasma display, however.
-- Derek
11 Jan
11 Jan
1:08 a.m.
Uncle Roger said...
|
|Our "Susie B" dollar was a failed attempt -- becuase the bill was not
|pulled. People claim silly things like it was too close in size to the
|quarter (BS - try it sometime) or it was too heavy.
No, I'm afraid it's true. Because the average person is too lazy
to do much thinking for themselves. Just witness the number of
drivers who react rather than think to events around them.
Besides, we pay others to think for us, why should we have to do it?
-Miles
Which is half the reason we are blighted by the PC today - because
of the "nobody ever got in trouble for buying IBM" attitude.
2:02 a.m.
New subject: _Way_ OT: dollar coins was Re: Y2K stuff
At 06:56 PM 1/10/99 -0600, you wrote:
At 12:53 PM 1/9/99 +1030, you wrote:
The biggest reason that the US government was considering switching to a
dollar coin was the satisify the vending machine owners. They were losing
sales because many items sold for more than a dollar and people didn't
carry enough change to make the purchases. The owners claimed they couldn't
make a machine that would take bills but soon another company started
marketing a change machine and when they did it killed the demand for a
dollar coin. The public never liked the dollar coins and the banks seldom
gave them out unless you asked for them.
Are they polymer rather than paper like all ours
are now?
Still paper, but with a few more security features.
To save money, the govt withdrew all coins below
5c, we now have $1 & $2
coins,
The US could have hundreds of millions of dollars by doing that (at least
$1 coins) but it has been demonstrated around the world that the only way
to do that *successfully* is to pull the bills out of circulation
immediately as the coins are released.
Our "Susie B" dollar was a failed attempt -- becuase the bill was not
pulled.
FORCING the public to use it is not my idea of success!
People claim silly things like it was too close in size to the
quarter (BS - try it sometime) or it was too heavy.
It is too heavy compared to a bill. Try putting ten or twenty of them in
your pocket and carry them around for a day!
Joe
1:42 a.m.
New subject: _Way_ OT: dollar coins was Re: Y2K stuff
There are still a lot of Suzy B dollars in circulation. Among other
things, if you put a $5 bill into a turnstile machine for the trains
that go between New York and New Jersey (PATH), you'll get your
change in dollar coins. The same applies to bus/train ticket
machines for New Jersey Transit. I know that was also the case with
the light rail ticket machines in San Jose back in 90-91, but I have
no idea whether that's still the case. And if the ticket machine
runs out of Suzy Bs, you wind up with a major load of quarters.
Ward Griffiths
"the timid die just like the daring; and if you don't take the plunge then
you'll just take the fall" Michael Longcor
On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Joe wrote:
At 06:56 PM 1/10/99 -0600, you wrote:
At 12:53 PM 1/9/99 +1030, you wrote:
The biggest reason that the US government was considering switching to a
dollar coin was the satisify the vending machine owners. They were losing
sales because many items sold for more than a dollar and people didn't
carry enough change to make the purchases. The owners claimed they couldn't
make a machine that would take bills but soon another company started
marketing a change machine and when they did it killed the demand for a
dollar coin. The public never liked the dollar coins and the banks seldom
gave them out unless you asked for them.
Are they polymer rather than paper like all ours
are now?
Still paper, but with a few more security features.
To save money, the govt withdrew all coins below
5c, we now have $1 & $2
coins,
The US could have hundreds of millions of dollars by doing that (at least
$1 coins) but it has been demonstrated around the world that the only way
to do that *successfully* is to pull the bills out of circulation
immediately as the coins are released.
Our "Susie B" dollar was a failed attempt -- becuase the bill was not
pulled.
FORCING the public to use it is not my idea of success!
People claim silly things like it was too close in size to the
quarter (BS - try it sometime) or it was too
heavy.
It is too heavy compared to a bill. Try putting ten or twenty of them in
your pocket and carry them around for a day!
Joe
8:59 a.m.
New subject: _Way_ OT: dollar coins was Re: Y2K stuff
And if the ticket machine runs out of Suzy Bs, you
wind
up with a major load of quarters.
Which is why that electronic money stuff seems to be an almost good idea...
Sure, there's lots of reasons not to like it... But why carry around a
bunch of heavy coins when you could just have a little chip, maybe just
underneath the skin in the hand or something? I would guess anything but an
implantable chip would be a bit of a security concern...
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10:11 a.m.
New subject: _Way_ OT: dollar coins was Re: Y2K stuff
And if the
ticket machine runs out of Suzy Bs, you wind
up with a major load of quarters.
Which is why that electronic money stuff seems to be an almost good idea...
Sure, there's lots of reasons not to like it... But why carry around a
bunch of heavy coins when you could just have a little chip, maybe just
underneath the skin in the hand or something? I would guess anything but an
implantable chip would be a bit of a security concern... 
11:07 a.m.
New subject: _Way_ OT: dollar coins was Re: Y2K stuff
Just what I want... a thief knocking me over the head
and lopping off
my hand.
Why do people say this? I get this all the time when I talk about my Java
Ring (sorry it's not a classic YET). Thieves aren't going to "chop off your
extremities" to get to the 20 - 50 units of currency you've got bound to
your thumb print. Just like they don't dig out the eyeball of bank
manager's that have retinal scan bank vaults. Sheesh.
ObCc: Anyone have a working C64 and BASIC manual they are willing to part
with for $10 + shipping? I'd like to get one for my daughter (8 yrs old) to
start playing around with BASIC programming.
--Chuck
4:16 p.m.
New subject: _Way_ OT: dollar coins was Re: Y2K stuff
Just what I
want... a thief knocking me over the head and lopping off
my hand.
Why do people say this? I get this all the time when I talk about my Java
Ring (sorry it's not a classic YET). Thieves aren't going to "chop off your
extremities" to get to the 20 - 50 units of currency you've got bound to
your thumb print. Just like they don't dig out the eyeball of bank
manager's that have retinal scan bank vaults. Sheesh. 
12 Jan
12 Jan
12:57 a.m.
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[Teaching a kid BASIC]
No! Not BASIC! Anything but THAT! ARRRRRRGH! :)
Why not teach her assembler? Start from the bottom...
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2:05 a.m.
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Daniel A. Seagraves wrote:
Why not teach her assembler? Start from the bottom...
What processor would you choose? BASIC is a skill that would be useful
on almost every computer, and with a little skill adjustment, one can
code WordBasic macros :)
5:29 a.m.
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Actually I've taught her a bit of PDP-8 assembler but as responsible as she
is, she is still 8 and doesn't always treat things correctly when
unsupervised. Also I don't have any sort of graphics support for the PDP-8
so the C-64 seemed a good alternative. A couple of people have suggested an
Apple II, which would be ok as well, but the ability to use a C64 with a TV
is a win here as well.
--Chuck
At 06:56 AM 1/12/99 -0800, you wrote:
[Teaching a kid BASIC]
No! Not BASIC! Anything but THAT! ARRRRRRGH! :)
Why not teach her assembler? Start from the bottom...
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On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Chuck McManis wrote:
Actually I've taught her a bit of PDP-8 assembler
but as responsible as she
is, she is still 8 and doesn't always treat things correctly when
unsupervised. Also I don't have any sort of graphics support for the PDP-8
so the C-64 seemed a good alternative. A couple of people have suggested an
Apple II, which would be ok as well, but the ability to use a C64 with a TV
is a win here as well.
YOu can use an Apple ][ with a TV just as easily.
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5:08 a.m.
New subject: Kids w/ Computers ( was Re: _Way_ OT: dollar coins was Re: Y2K stuff)
You do realize that you'll be on Nickels Worth's fecal roster.
Ward Griffiths
"the timid die just like the daring; and if you don't take the plunge then
you'll just take the fall" Michael Longcor
On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Chuck McManis wrote:
Actually I've taught her a bit of PDP-8 assembler
but as responsible as she
is, she is still 8 and doesn't always treat things correctly when
unsupervised. Also I don't have any sort of graphics support for the PDP-8
so the C-64 seemed a good alternative. A couple of people have suggested an
Apple II, which would be ok as well, but the ability to use a C64 with a TV
is a win here as well.
--Chuck
At 06:56 AM 1/12/99 -0800, you wrote:
[Teaching a kid BASIC]
No! Not BASIC! Anything but THAT! ARRRRRRGH! :)
Why not teach her assembler? Start from the bottom...
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11 Jan
11 Jan
3:50 p.m.
New subject: _Way_ OT: dollar coins was Re: Y2K stuff
On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, John Rollins wrote:
Oh, I don't know. I think I'd prefer losing a card to losing a hand!
- don
And if the
ticket machine runs out of Suzy Bs, you wind
up with a major load of quarters.
Which is why that electronic money stuff seems to be an almost good idea...
Sure, there's lots of reasons not to like it... But why carry around a
bunch of heavy coins when you could just have a little chip, maybe just
underneath the skin in the hand or something? I would guess anything but an
implantable chip would be a bit of a security concern...
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12:02 p.m.
New subject: _Way_ OT: dollar coins was Re: Y2K stuff
I'd like the U.S. to do it in a similar manner to Canada... The S.B.A.
was
an idiotic move.. The "Loonies" and "Twoonies", being unique in size,
weight, colour, and feel, make a lot more sense. Add to the fact, that a
coin lasts a lot longer than a bill, would reduce costs that currently
are paid by citizens. Besides, if you've got much more than ten one
dollar
notes in your wallet, wouldn't you trade them for a larger bill? I won't
even start about my collection of ATM receipts that builds up...
Will
Joe wrote:
At 06:56 PM 1/10/99 -0600, you wrote:
At 12:53 PM 1/9/99 +1030, you wrote:
The biggest reason that the US government was considering switching to a
dollar coin was the satisify the vending machine owners. They were losing
sales because many items sold for more than a dollar and people didn't
carry enough change to make the purchases. The owners claimed they couldn't
make a machine that would take bills but soon another company started
marketing a change machine and when they did it killed the demand for a
dollar coin. The public never liked the dollar coins and the banks seldom
gave them out unless you asked for them.
Are they polymer rather than paper like all ours
are now?
Still paper, but with a few more security features.
To save money, the govt withdrew all coins below
5c, we now have $1 & $2
coins,
The US could have hundreds of millions of dollars by doing that (at least
$1 coins) but it has been demonstrated around the world that the only way
to do that *successfully* is to pull the bills out of circulation
immediately as the coins are released.
Our "Susie B" dollar was a failed attempt -- becuase the bill was not
pulled.
FORCING the public to use it is not my idea of success!
People claim silly things like it was too close in size to the
quarter (BS - try it sometime) or it was too
heavy.
It is too heavy compared to a bill. Try putting ten or twenty of them in
your pocket and carry them around for a day!
Joe
4:13 p.m.
New subject: _Way_ OT: dollar coins was Re: Y2K stuff
On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Will Emerson wrote:
I'd like the U.S. to do it in a similar manner to
Canada... The S.B.A.
was
an idiotic move.. The "Loonies" and "Twoonies", being unique in
size,
weight, colour, and feel, make a lot more sense. Add to the fact, that a
coin lasts a lot longer than a bill, would reduce costs that currently
are paid by citizens. Besides, if you've got much more than ten one
dollar
notes in your wallet, wouldn't you trade them for a larger bill? I won't
even start about my collection of ATM receipts that builds up...
Depends! I always like to accumulate a fist full of ones before going to
the flea market. Makes you feel a bit silly when after dickering a guy
down to $2 from $10 you hand him a $20 :)
- don
7:11 a.m.
>To save money, the govt withdrew all coins below
5c, we now have $1 & $2
>coins,
The US could have hundreds of millions of dollars by
doing that (at least
$1 coins) but it has been demonstrated around the world that the only way
to do that *successfully* is to pull the bills out of circulation
immediately as the coins are released.
We have it right the other way - there is a 5 Mark coin and a 5 Mark
note, but you will get a note only _very_ seldom - a coin is just
more easy to handle - I used to collect all 5 Mark notes I ever got
I just recives 43 notes in more than 25 years !
Our "Susie B" dollar was a failed attempt --
becuase the bill was not
pulled. People claim silly things like it was too close in size to the
quarter (BS - try it sometime) or it was too heavy.
In fact, it's more what some think that the people think.
If offered, it _will_ be used (just giving them as change
in post office vending machines is no offer). We had a very
simmilar thing over here - when they introduced the new
notes, our politicians voted against scraping the (not used)
5 Mark note - since the people want to have it, and need it
and bla bla bla.
OT:: Reminds me always of the A20 gate.
Gruss
H.
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