On the Lisa 1 topic... I just found out tonight that I in fact DID used to own a Lisa 1... I had always thought my only Lisa's were 2's and MacXL's (of which I have none any more). I was showing my brother my copy of Collectible Microcomputers, and he looked at the Lisa pictures. He said he always thought the double openings on the Twiggy disks were cool. I asked when he had seen one, and he said that the first Lisa we bought had those drives. I just about started crying. I could stomach the fact that all my Lisa 2's and MacXL's were either traded in or thrown out... but to now know that a Lisa 1 was also scrapped... it just kills me. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>