16 Apr
2002
16 Apr
'02
6:05 a.m.
On April 16, John R. Keys Jr. wrote:
UPS delivered my Burroughs tape unit model BU4180
yesterday but it was
destroyed. They must have dropped it from a high place as this thing
weighs in at almost 80 pounds. Things inside are pretty bad but I would
like to try and get it looking nice again, since the boards inside are
damaged I do not think I can get it to work again. Does anyone on the
list have repair manual for this model? I would like to see how he belts
go around the pulleys inside the case. Thanks
I'm wondering how UPS manages to stay in business anymore. I've
shipped about four things via UPS in the past year, and EVERY ONE OF
THEM arrived damaged to some extent. WTF??
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big."
St. Petersburg, FL -Den
16 Apr
16 Apr
6:29 a.m.
On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Dave McGuire wrote:
On April 16, John R. Keys Jr. wrote:
I've noticed that Fedex ground seems to be cheaper than UPS ground, so
I've stared using Fedex instead... however, I've not had anything
significantly broken AFAIK by UPS - unless the 'dead' hard drive in my
AT&T 6544 was due to them.
-- Pat
UPS delivered my Burroughs tape unit model BU4180
yesterday but it was
destroyed. They must have dropped it from a high place as this thing
weighs in at almost 80 pounds. Things inside are pretty bad but I would
like to try and get it looking nice again, since the boards inside are
damaged I do not think I can get it to work again. Does anyone on the
list have repair manual for this model? I would like to see how he belts
go around the pulleys inside the case. Thanks
I'm wondering how UPS manages to stay in business anymore. I've
shipped about four things via UPS in the past year, and EVERY ONE OF
THEM arrived damaged to some extent. WTF?? 
7:16 a.m.
When you hear that the UPS guys are going through contract negotiations,
stay away from shipping via UPS at all costs.
I used to moonlight at a Radio Shack and we shipped a lot of items via UPS
to and from the product warehouse and repair facilities, and UPS found a
way to destroy too many things.
Whenever I purchase something to be shipped, I always request ANYTHING
other than UPS, usually USPS. USPS has a good track record (in my area) of
getting things too me quickly and undamaged. For Federal employees - they
do pretty good here.
You should hear the FedEx ground people talk about UPS. Geez....... The
stories are horrific.
This will probably start a big Union vs. Anti-Union flamewar, but
throughout my life, my experience is that you get much better quality and
performance when a union is NOT involved. Automobiles are shining proof of
that.
- Matt
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On April 16, John R. Keys Jr. wrote:
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UPS delivered my Burroughs tape unit model BU4180
yesterday but it was
destroyed. They must have dropped it from a high place as this thing
weighs in at almost 80 pounds. Things inside are pretty bad but I would
like to try and get it looking nice again, since the boards inside are
damaged I do not think I can get it to work again. Does anyone on the
list have repair manual for this model? I would like to see how he belts
go around the pulleys inside the case. Thanks
I'm wondering how UPS manages to stay in business anymore. I've
shipped about four things via UPS in the past year, and EVERY ONE OF
THEM arrived damaged to some extent. WTF??
-Dave
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St. Petersburg, FL -Den 
7:16 a.m.
I'm wondering how UPS manages to stay in
business anymore. I've
shipped about four things via UPS in the past year, and EVERY ONE OF
THEM arrived damaged to some extent. WTF??
If FedEx dropped their price a little I think more people
would use them vice UPS. Thankfully the SGI Indigo2 and 19" monitor
I was waiting on arrived today by UPS and appears to have come
through the ordeal at least physically intact. Then again, it was
professionally custom boxed. My dealings with UPS has been less than
satisfactory over the years though and I'd just as soon not deal with
them if I could.
Jeff
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8:26 a.m.
Jeff Hellige wrote:
I've never had a problem with UPS. The only thing that arrived damaged
here via UPS had been packed atrociously, was originally addressed to
the wrong destination in another state, and, I suspect, was trashed to
begin with.
I'll forgo the details, since I don't have proof of that last, but I
don't recall ever seeing the party in question here, at least.
I once worked in a largish warehouse where we got stuff via UPS every
day. No problems with UPS then, either.
jbdigriz
I'm
wondering how UPS manages to stay in business anymore. I've
shipped about four things via UPS in the past year, and EVERY ONE OF
THEM arrived damaged to some extent. WTF??
If FedEx dropped their price a little I think more people would use
them vice UPS. Thankfully the SGI Indigo2 and 19" monitor I was waiting
on arrived today by UPS and appears to have come through the ordeal at
least physically intact. Then again, it was professionally custom
boxed. My dealings with UPS has been less than satisfactory over the
years though and I'd just as soon not deal with them if I could.
Jeff
9:04 a.m.
I've never had a problem with UPS. The only thing
that arrived
damaged here via UPS had been packed atrociously, was originally
addressed to the wrong destination in another state, and, I suspect,
was trashed to begin with.
A large percentage of all monitors shipped to/from me in the
past have been either heavily damaged or destroyed by UPS and they
were well packed. I had a Mac blue/white G3 shipped to me last year
when I decided to change machines and UPS shattered one of the
plastic side panels. It was in the original shipping carton and
styrofoam inserts. They also banged my DECmate II around enough in
transit that the drive rails broke apart as well as destroying the
VR201 that shipped in a seperate box.
Don't get me wrong, they've delivered a lot of stuff
undamaged as well but when it comes to the things they do manage to
damage, the packing used has little to do with it. I've gotten a
number of things that looked like it fell off the back of a truck.
Even with the form fitting high-density foam that surrounded the
heavy packages that arrived today, I doubt if they would have
survived something like that.
Jeff
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9:33 a.m.
Jeff Hellige wrote:
A large percentage of all monitors shipped to/from
me in the past
have been either heavily damaged or destroyed by UPS and they were well
packed. I had a Mac blue/white G3 shipped to me last year when I
decided to change machines and UPS shattered one of the plastic side
panels. It was in the original shipping carton and styrofoam inserts.
They also banged my DECmate II around enough in transit that the drive
rails broke apart as well as destroying the VR201 that shipped in a
seperate box.
Don't get me wrong, they've delivered a lot of stuff undamaged as
well but when it comes to the things they do manage to damage, the
packing used has little to do with it. I've gotten a number of things
that looked like it fell off the back of a truck. Even with the form
fitting high-density foam that surrounded the heavy packages that
arrived today, I doubt if they would have survived something like that.
Jeff
Maybe I'm just lucky, but I've never seen anything like that. The
terminal I mentioned had been literally wrapped in a form-fitting shell
of flattened boxes, with zero padding or insulation other than a couple
of odd sheets of newspaper. The CRT was busted off the base, several
cracks in the case, and keys all over the place. Bits and pieces that
should have been there if it had been intact to start with were missing,
but it's possible they slipped out an opening in the packaging, I guess.
I used to live next door to a gal who delivered for UPS. Maybe she put
in a good word for me or something.
jbdigriz
9:36 a.m.
On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Jeff Hellige wrote:
I think I mentioned it before relative to UPS but I once shipped a 19" monitor
I've never
had a problem with UPS. The only thing that arrived
damaged here via UPS had been packed atrociously, was originally
addressed to the wrong destination in another state, and, I suspect,
was trashed to begin with.
A large percentage of all monitors shipped to/from me in the
past have been either heavily damaged or destroyed by UPS and they
were well packed. I had a Mac blue/white G3 shipped to me last year
when I decided to change machines and UPS shattered one of the
plastic side panels. It was in the original shipping carton and
styrofoam inserts. They also banged my DECmate II around enough in
transit that the drive rails broke apart as well as destroying the
VR201 that shipped in a seperate box.
Don't get me wrong, they've delivered a lot of stuff
undamaged as well but when it comes to the things they do manage to
damage, the packing used has little to do with it. I've gotten a
number of things that looked like it fell off the back of a truck.
Even with the form fitting high-density foam that surrounded the
heavy packages that arrived today, I doubt if they would have
survived something like that.
Jeff
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from here (California) to Virginia IICRC. The monitor
made it fine to the guys
driveway (He was watching as the UPS driver pulled up)
It was being kicked off the back of the UPS truck onto the asphalt driveway
that destroyed the monitor. Pretty hard to pack anything (thats big or heavy)
to withstand that...
Peter Wallace
10:35 p.m.
On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Jeff Hellige wrote:
If FedEx dropped their price a little I think more
people
would use them vice UPS. Thankfully the SGI Indigo2 and 19" monitor
Actually, I find Fedex Ground to generally be cheaper than UPS, but only
if you drop off the packages at the shipping office for low volume, or if
you do a high volume of shipping. Fedex will charge a weekly pickup fee
if you call them out for a pickup.
They don't seem to have it all together yet I was charged this fee by them
even when I only drop off packages at their center. They also have't sent
me any invoices for the past couple months even though I called them to
notify them of my address change and requested all back invoices.
At any rate, I find the service to be good and cheaper than UPS Ground for
my purposes.
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7:44 a.m.
At 11:05 AM 4/16/2002 -0400, Dave McGuire wrote:
I'm wondering how UPS manages to stay in business
anymore. I've
shipped about four things via UPS in the past year, and EVERY ONE OF
THEM arrived damaged to some extent. WTF??
I thought I'd carefully double-boxed a ~70 pound
microtome, but it too suffered this sort of fate
with UPS a year or so ago. Big nasty gash, like
it had been dropped from a considerable height.
Of course, UPS's first reaction is that "It wasn't
packed properly." Not that you can tell based on
the forensic examination of the remains, though.
But I've also shipped some large ~70 pound tape
backup libraries, and let Mailboxes Etc. do the
double-boxing and foam or bubble wrap, and they
had no trouble with UPS. Perhaps the lesson is
"Double-box, and don't reuse boxes when shipping
heavy items."
- John
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7:26 p.m.
> I'm wondering how UPS manages to stay in
business anymore. I've
It's as bad over here....
In the 1960s, Flanders and Swann (I think) commented that they'd
discovered a new way to split the atom : Send it by post marked
'Fragile'. And things have _not_ improved since then.
Sounds like them :-) I still chuckle when they mention they're a household
word, like slopbucket.
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