I sped read and didn't see the partnering verbiage (I saw comparisons to Walt's legacy) but I suppose being a founder of Pixar perhaps disney could have some interest as well. -----Original Message----- From: Jason McBrien <jbmcb1 at gmail.com> Sender: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.orgDate: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:00:59 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts<cctalk at classiccmp.org> Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: A petition to Apple's Leadership Team - Create a public venue / visitor?s center On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 6:50 PM, David Greelish <david at classiccomputing.com>wrote: Good idea. Signed. Interesting bit about partnering with Disney. Disney occasionally offers help in designing museums and theme parks. Whatever your opinion on the company, they know how to run an attraction. They helped with a really nice renovation of Greenfield Village in Dearborn, MI a few years ago - Henry Ford's outdoor museum of trains, boats and buildings. In fact, Disneyland was somewhat inspired by Greenfield Village.

Fred Cisin wrote: If you're using Microsoft Internet(tm), I don't see what the problem is.

On Mon, 15 Oct 2012, Christopher Satterfield wrote: Ah, the benefit of special filters that by default remove Windoze CRAP. Do you even see the "[Windos 1252]" that was inserted in multiple p[laces in the subject line? (in addition to other corruption of the subject line text)

See RFC 1522. Mouse

Well, look at the characters that got encoded: See that =92? 0x92 is not within the ASCII range. Based on the way it's used, I suspect it is some kind of apostropheish character in 1252. (Indeed, I my mailer regularly sees mail marked as being 8859-1 with such octets in it; it's not a valid 8859-1 printable either. Most of those I manage to reject automatically.) Not much justification at the human layer, but quite enough at the software layer - the software is not in a position to tell when "visitor's" is a suitable substitute for that "visitor?s" (for whatever value of ?) in the subject. And far too many people are unwilling (or unable) to make sure they don't perpetrate such horrors accidentally. It is. There are times when I think the cure is worse than the disease in this case. (Most of the time I come down on the other side. But, occasionally....) As for the "incomprehensibly garbled" one, if you mean the one I quoted at the very top of this mail,that was using ?B? rather than ?Q?, meaning you need to use base64 to instead of quoted-printable to get the (presumably-)intended octet string out. In a sense, in that that is under some conditions the least-effort way to shut up the uglification. It's not much of an option to me, of course, but the people who choose (by choice of MUA) to generate it seem to think there's nothing wrong with it. I exert a minor pressure against it by calling them on it intermittently and, in list cases, not too infrequently skipping a message if it has too many of the various things like this that make it harder to read. /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse at rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B

On Tue, 16 Oct 2012, Fred Cisin wrote: It was caused by the unicode character used as an apostrophe in the "visitor's center" part of the subject line (I used a standard apostrophe in my example here). My guess is it happened from cutting and pasting part of the subject line from a website? I'm using Alpine and it apparently handled it since I never even noticed until it was brought up. I do purposefully run a UTF-8 capable terminal emulator though.