23 May
2001
23 May
'01
9:07 a.m.
On Wed, 23 May 2001 08:39:09 -0700 Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> writes:
That's fer sure! At least here, we're bidding amongst friends;
auctions are kinda silly for (relatively) common or inexpensive
items, but I think it's a good way for truly unique items to be
sold: The seller gets a good price and because we as a community
have a better feel for its true value (than your average weenie),
the high bid *shouldn't* go out of sight.
Besides, it's a *real* auction; not the sniper-ridden travesties
that regularly occour on E-PAy. I'm still smarting from the first
time I got sniped (and that was over two years ago).
Just my $0.02
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> >I, for one, think it is a great idea and have
no problems at all
> >with it! Among other things, it does away with the luck of being
> >the first person to read a post and get the item. Also, it keeps
> >the item in this community which is most likely a good thing.
>
> I'm very annoyed indeed by spome idiot posting an ever-growing
> message consisting of one "Now it's up at a hundra bucks" line and
300
line sof
quoted material (below the addition, mind you!). Several
times a day.
Instead of just complaining, offer a reasonable alternative!!!!! I
have no problems with it since it keeps everyone informed about
where the current bid is. 
23 May
23 May
8:37 a.m.
On Wed, 23 May 2001, Jeffrey l Kaneko wrote:
That's fer sure! At least here, we're bidding
amongst friends;
auctions are kinda silly for (relatively) common or inexpensive items,
but I think it's a good way for truly unique items to be sold: The
seller gets a good price and because we as a community have a better
feel for its true value (than your average weenie), the high bid
*shouldn't* go out of sight.
The seller is a Goodwill picker; a middle-man; at best an opportunist; at
worst a scoundrel. He's selling direct from a Goodwill shelf in a store
somewhere, to you.
I think this aspect is important to consider in this case.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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10:37 a.m.
Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2001, Jeffrey l Kaneko wrote:
Why? I always thought that saving the equipment was the important thing, and
where it came from is irrelevant. Who loses if it hadn't been brought to the
attention of the list? FWIW, I don't know how many people here browse Ebay
and other sites regularly, and putting up for auction here sounds like a
really good idea!!! Credit should be given instead of criticism!!!!!!!
That's fer sure! At least here, we're
bidding amongst friends;
auctions are kinda silly for (relatively) common or inexpensive items,
The seller is a Goodwill picker; a middle-man; at best an opportunist; at
worst a scoundrel. He's selling direct from a Goodwill shelf in a store
somewhere, to you.
I think this aspect is important to consider in this case.
5:17 p.m.
On Wed, 23 May 2001, Marvin wrote:
Why? I always thought that saving the equipment was
the important
thing, and where it came from is irrelevant. Who loses if it hadn't
been brought to the attention of the list? FWIW, I don't know how many
people here browse Ebay and other sites regularly, and putting up for
auction here sounds like a really good idea!!! Credit should be given
instead of criticism!!!!!!!
I was going to try to let this die but... :)
I have no problem with having an auction here instead of on eBay, with
some exceptions.
First of all, it seems to me Chris has not real interest in preserving a
computer. His only interest seems to be how much money he could make off
of a computer that a bunch of people told him that, in their opinion, it
was rare. Then, he starts an "auction" without even having said machine
in his own possession. That's nigh akin to fraud.
Personally, I'd prefer to keep this list free of people who only have an
economic interest in this here hobby. I don't appreciate spending my time
dispensing knowledge or what not so that others can shamelessly make a
dime on it. If they do it in some other forum at least, then I won't have
to see it and won't care. But to be as obnoxious as Chris was is just not
cool.
Second, if there is to be an auction for CC list folks only, it shouldn't
actually take place on the list. It's just noise and an annoyance to
those who don't care about it.
Chris proceeded to litter the list with updates that included every
previous posting of that particular thread...a waste of time & money to
those who pay bu the minute (I'm on a cable modem with a flat fee per
month, so I don't care, but I do have consideration for those that don't
have this luxury, like the poor sods in Europe ;)
Auctions run on the list in the past have been less intrusive. Someone
posts a message indicating he or she is auctioning off Item, and bids will
be taken until Date, at which point the high bidder will be announced.
Then you didn't hear about it anymore...only those involved in the auction
got notification. If Chris had been sensible and done this from the get
go, it would've been tolerable (save for the other aspects of this auction
that I object to). I sense Chris is just some newbie. A rude newbie.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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24 May
24 May
10:44 a.m.
At 07:17 PM 5/23/01 -0700, Sellam wrote:
I was going to try to let this die but... :)
I have no problem with having an auction here instead of on eBay, with
some exceptions.
First of all, it seems to me Chris has not real interest in preserving a
computer. His only interest seems to be how much money he could make off
of a computer that a bunch of people told him that, in their opinion, it
was rare. Then, he starts an "auction" without even having said machine
in his own possession. That's nigh akin to fraud.
I don't think it's fraud but it's certainly risky. I've found
odd
things that I didn't buy. Then I checked on the net and foudn out what they
were and decided to get them. However when I returned they were usually
gone. Rule 1. Don't offer it for sale until it's in your posession.
Personally, I'd prefer to keep this list free of
people who only have an
economic interest in this here hobby. I don't appreciate spending my time
dispensing knowledge or what not so that others can shamelessly make a
dime on it. If they do it in some other forum at least, then I won't have
to see it and won't care.
I disagree. This list is specificly about collecting and
preserving old computers. I think Chris has done this group a favor by only
offering it here instead of immediately taking it to E-OverPay. If you
don't want see the offer or participate that's your choice but I think it's
very appropriate to offer it here. HOWEVER once he starts the bidding I
think he should only announce the current bid to the bidders and not to the
entire list. (Chris I'm not picking on you, this applies to anyone doing
the same thing.)
Joe
23 May
23 May
10:34 a.m.
Besides, it's a *real* auction; not the
sniper-ridden travesties
that regularly occour on E-PAy. I'm still smarting from the first
time I got sniped (and that was over two years ago).
I've been sniped a couple of times, but if the sniper doesn't
put in their maximum bid I notice they usually run out of time
to place a higher bid. If they want to snipe with a maximum
bid that is higher than than my maximum bid, then I don't care,
since I'm not going to pay more than what I placed anyway.
I did play with a sniper once. This guy sniped me about three
times before, so this time I didn't place my maximum bid. I
instead placed a bid about $20 less than my maximum. Sure
enough, the guy tried to snipe me. He failed this time as I
had a window opened with a new bid of my maximum. I had one
window that I refreshed, waiting until the five second mark.
At that time I switched to the other window and confirmed my
maximum bid. This left the sniper with no time to snipe
again.
So two lessons on eBay:
1) Bid your maximum, and don't worry if you get sniped
by someone willing to pay more. You weren't going
to pay more if you weren't sniped, so why pay more
anyway? If you are just feeling the waters, bid
less until the last day, then bid your maximum.
2) If you don't want to bid your maximum, but want to
protect yourself from snipers, snipe the sniper.
You're not a sniper since you've been bidding on
the auction the whole time.
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
10:50 a.m.
At the risk of being tedious: You didn't get "sniped" ... someone
just bid more than you thought it was worth! With the proxy bid system..
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to get sniped unless they will pay more than your
MAXIMUM
allowable bid price .. ie: They just wanted it more than you did.
That's fer sure! At least here, we're bidding amongst friends;
auctions are kinda silly for (relatively) common or inexpensive
items, but I think it's a good way for truly unique items to be
sold: The seller gets a good price and because we as a community
have a better feel for its true value (than your average weenie),
the high bid *shouldn't* go out of sight.
Besides, it's a *real* auction; not the sniper-ridden travesties
that regularly occour on E-PAy. I'm still smarting from the first
time I got sniped (and that was over two years ago).
Just my $0.02
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>
> I'm very annoyed indeed by spome idiot posting an ever-growing
> message consisting of one "Now it's up at a hundra bucks" line and
300
line sof
quoted material (below the addition, mind you!). Several
times a day.
Instead of just complaining, offer a reasonable alternative!!!!! I
have no problems with it since it keeps everyone informed about
where the current bid is. 
2:46 p.m.
At the risk of being tedious: You didn't get
"sniped" ... someone
just bid more than you thought it was worth! With the proxy bid system..
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to get sniped unless they will pay more than your
MAXIMUM
allowable bid price .. ie: They just wanted it more than you did.
Yes of course, but frequently I find I want something more than I thought I
did after somebody else starts wanting it. The pain of the snipe isn't from
being "cheated" its from being stupid and not bidding the full amount you
are willing to pay.
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