7 Oct
2020
7 Oct
'20
6:56 a.m.
Hi again,
Am also looking for the manuals for Microsoft C 6.0, preferably in a
digital format.
/Tomas
7 Oct
7 Oct
7:18 a.m.
Would then not be on MSDN cds from around that time?
Dave
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Subject: Microsoft C 6.0 manuals
Hi again,
Am also looking for the manuals for Microsoft C 6.0, preferably in a
digital
format.
/Tomas
7:23 a.m.
On Wed, 07 Oct 2020 16:18:15 +0200, <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
Would then not be on MSDN cds from around that time?
I don't think so. I did spend some effort to locate on of those that I
had some reference to, but it turned out to be nothing. (And I have
checked at least ten MSDN CDs for this material.)
There are paper copies in some west coast US libraries, but I have not
yet gotten desperate enough to try that route.
/Tomas
8:29 a.m.
On 10/7/20 7:23 AM, Tomas By via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, 07 Oct 2020 16:18:15 +0200, <dave.g4ugm at
gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know if I hung onto the MSC 6.0 manuals, but am looking at what
amounts to a sizeable portion of a bookshelf that deals with 7.0.
That's a lot of paper. Just the "Comprehensive Index and Errors" book
looks to be somewhere around 400-500 pages.
I don't believe that MSC was part of MSDN back then. At least I don't
recall seeing it on my CD collection, although ISTR that there were
services packs for it there.
FWIW,
--Chuck
Would then not be on MSDN cds from around that
time?
I don't think so. I did spend some effort to locate on of those that I
had some reference to, but it turned out to be nothing. (And I have
checked at least ten MSDN CDs for this material.)
There are paper copies in some west coast US libraries, but I have not
yet gotten desperate enough to try that route. 
8:33 a.m.
I have PDFs of C 4.0 and C 5.0, both of which were included in a load of "Windows
1" stuff I had which included the Platform SDK manuals. If you want them, contact me
off-list.
Rich
?On 10/7/20, 11:29 AM, "cctalk on behalf of Chuck Guzis via cctalk"
<cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org on behalf of cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 10/7/20 7:23 AM, Tomas By via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, 07 Oct 2020 16:18:15 +0200, <dave.g4ugm at
gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know if I hung onto the MSC 6.0 manuals, but am looking at what
amounts to a sizeable portion of a bookshelf that deals with 7.0.
That's a lot of paper. Just the "Comprehensive Index and Errors" book
looks to be somewhere around 400-500 pages.
I don't believe that MSC was part of MSDN back then. At least I don't
recall seeing it on my CD collection, although ISTR that there were
services packs for it there.
FWIW,
--Chuck
Would then not be on MSDN cds from around that
time?
I don't think so. I did spend some effort to locate on of those that I
had some reference to, but it turned out to be nothing. (And I have
checked at least ten MSDN CDs for this material.)
There are paper copies in some west coast US libraries, but I have not
yet gotten desperate enough to try that route. 
8:42 a.m.
I have a retail boxed set "Microsoft Visual Studio 6.0 Professional
Edition Upgrade" (P/N 659-00145).
It's stuffed with CDs, some of which I seem to remember were sent to me
after I mailed in some coupons.
There's not much paper documentation -- a "Microsoft Visual Studio
Resource Guide", "Getting Started Setup Guide for Visual Studio 6.0",
"Visual Studio Developing for Windows and the Web", and some class
library posters.
The documentation appears to be on a 2 CD set "MSDN Library Visual
Studio 6.0" (P/N X03-73112 or possibly X03-55262).
There is a card "Getting Started with Microsoft Visual Studio 6.0" which
says: "The MSDN compact discs include a complete documentation set for
Visual Studio and for each of the core products."
--Bjoren
On 10/7/2020 11:29 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 10/7/20 7:23 AM, Tomas By via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, 07 Oct 2020 16:18:15 +0200,
<dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know if I hung onto the
MSC 6.0 manuals, but am looking at what
amounts to a sizeable portion of a bookshelf that deals with 7.0.
That's a lot of paper. Just the "Comprehensive Index and Errors" book
looks to be somewhere around 400-500 pages.
I don't believe that MSC was part of MSDN back then. At least I don't
recall seeing it on my CD collection, although ISTR that there were
services packs for it there.
FWIW,
--Chuck
Would then not be on MSDN cds from around that
time?
I don't think so. I did spend some effort to locate on of those that I
had some reference to, but it turned out to be nothing. (And I have
checked at least ten MSDN CDs for this material.)
There are paper copies in some west coast US libraries, but I have not
yet gotten desperate enough to try that route.
8:45 a.m.
Yes, for VS6, all of the docs were on two or three CDs that were installed separately. I
think it was called the "MSDN Library".
?On 10/7/20, 11:43 AM, "cctalk on behalf of Bjoren Davis via cctalk"
<cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org on behalf of cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I have a retail boxed set "Microsoft Visual Studio 6.0 Professional
Edition Upgrade" (P/N 659-00145).
It's stuffed with CDs, some of which I seem to remember were sent to me
after I mailed in some coupons.
There's not much paper documentation -- a "Microsoft Visual Studio
Resource Guide", "Getting Started Setup Guide for Visual Studio 6.0",
"Visual Studio Developing for Windows and the Web", and some class
library posters.
The documentation appears to be on a 2 CD set "MSDN Library Visual
Studio 6.0" (P/N X03-73112 or possibly X03-55262).
There is a card "Getting Started with Microsoft Visual Studio 6.0" which
says: "The MSDN compact discs include a complete documentation set for
Visual Studio and for each of the core products."
--Bjoren
On 10/7/2020 11:29 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 10/7/20 7:23 AM, Tomas By via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, 07 Oct 2020 16:18:15 +0200,
<dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know if I hung onto the
MSC 6.0 manuals, but am looking at what
amounts to a sizeable portion of a bookshelf that deals with 7.0.
That's a lot of paper. Just the "Comprehensive Index and Errors" book
looks to be somewhere around 400-500 pages.
I don't believe that MSC was part of MSDN back then. At least I don't
recall seeing it on my CD collection, although ISTR that there were
services packs for it there.
FWIW,
--Chuck
Would then not be on MSDN cds from around that
time?
I don't think so. I did spend some effort to locate on of those that I
had some reference to, but it turned out to be nothing. (And I have
checked at least ten MSDN CDs for this material.)
There are paper copies in some west coast US libraries, but I have not
yet gotten desperate enough to try that route. 
9:14 a.m.
On Wed, 7 Oct 2020, Bjoren Davis via cctalk wrote:
I have a retail boxed set "Microsoft Visual
Studio 6.0 Professional Edition
Upgrade" (P/N 659-00145).
Visual Studio 6 is vastly different than Microsoft C v6.0. MSC is pretty
much DOS only, with maybe some early windows or OS/2 stuff in it. Visual
Studio 6 is 100% Windows and includes Visual Basic 6.0 and Visual C++.
g.
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9:15 a.m.
Hi,
I don't think this is the same product?
The one I mean is from 1990, I believe.
/Tomas
On Wed, 07 Oct 2020 17:42:56 +0200, Bjoren Davis via cctalk wrote:
I have a retail boxed set "Microsoft Visual
Studio 6.0 Professional
Edition Upgrade" (P/N 659-00145).
It's stuffed with CDs, some of which I seem to remember were sent to
me after I mailed in some coupons.
There's not much paper documentation -- a "Microsoft Visual Studio
Resource Guide", "Getting Started Setup Guide for Visual Studio 6.0",
"Visual Studio Developing for Windows and the Web", and some class
library posters.
The documentation appears to be on a 2 CD set "MSDN Library Visual
Studio 6.0" (P/N X03-73112 or possibly X03-55262).
There is a card "Getting Started with Microsoft Visual Studio 6.0"
which says: "The MSDN compact discs include a complete documentation
set for Visual Studio and for each of the core products."
--Bjoren
9:53 a.m.
Visual Studio is a different product than "Microsoft Optimizing C
Compiler". There MIGHT have been Quick C or Visual C included with
the C compiler
Earlier versions were rebranded Lattice.
The manuals were massive.
We got a great deal ($75?? instead of several hundred$), and ordered half
a dozen copies of the compiler. Eventually, the UPS driver showed up with
a handtruck. The handtruck was NOT all our copies, it was ONE copy. The
driver wasn't going to lift/carry more than one copy at a time, and went
back and forth to his truck for a while.
I gave my copies away years ago. I should check the basement and see what
if anything is still around.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
8:52 a.m.
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:29 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 10/7/20 7:23 AM, Tomas By via cctalk wrote:
Related to C in general, I have a very large collection of manuals and
software for multiple styles of C and hardware. I can make these available
at Kennett Classic near Philadelphia if there is sufficient interest, but I
don't have time to scan all of it or break binders. In particular I have
the entire boxed Microsoft suite for 6.0, it's a pretty long box of
software and manuals. Probably cost a lot back then. I
Bill
On Wed, 07 Oct 2020 16:18:15 +0200,
<dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know if I hung onto the MSC 6.0 manuals, but am looking at what
amounts to a sizeable portion of a bookshelf that deals with 7.0.
That's a lot of paper. Just the "Comprehensive Index and Errors" book
looks to be somewhere around 400-500 pages.
I don't believe that MSC was part of MSDN back then. At least I don't
recall seeing it on my CD collection, although ISTR that there were
services packs for it there.
FWIW,
--Chuck
Would then not be on MSDN cds from around that
time?
I don't think so. I did spend some effort to locate on of those that I
had some reference to, but it turned out to be nothing. (And I have
checked at least ten MSDN CDs for this material.)
There are paper copies in some west coast US libraries, but I have not
yet gotten desperate enough to try that route.
9:31 a.m.
Hi,
Well, I may not need all of it. Am just looking for the basic compiler
manuals, it should be three-four not too thick volumes. I have one of
them in hardcopy but cannot find it.
I wish you could instantly & costlessly shift your collection over to
archive.org
/Tomas
On Wed, 07 Oct 2020 17:52:52 +0200, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
Related to C in general, I have a very large
collection of manuals and
software for multiple styles of C and hardware. I can make these available
at Kennett Classic near Philadelphia if there is sufficient interest, but I
don't have time to scan all of it or break binders. In particular I have
the entire boxed Microsoft suite for 6.0, it's a pretty long box of
software and manuals. Probably cost a lot back then. I
Bill
9:31 a.m.
Looking at my stash of 5.25" floppies, I have C 4.0, 5.0 and 6. I think
the 32-bit VC++ came in with 7.0. which would account for the explosion
in paper (Class libraries, etc.).
6.0 looks to be pretty straightforward and includes libraries and
Workbench for OS/2 as well. Unless I've misplaced something, it looks
like 7 1.2MB 5.25" floppies.
--Chuck
9:33 a.m.
On Oct 7, 2020, at 8:29, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 10/7/20 7:23 AM, Tomas By via cctalk wrote:
My recollection is that MS Visual C 1.0 came with a big box of paper manuals.
MS Visual C 1.5 was the first one where you had to take it on CD-ROM. At the
time (early 1994) MSDN was a serial with approximately quarterly single
CD-ROM issues whose content varied. This was all in the Time Before PDF so
proprietary reading/searching software was involved.
-Frank McConnell
On Wed, 07 Oct 2020 16:18:15 +0200,
<dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know if I hung onto the MSC 6.0 manuals, but am looking at what
amounts to a sizeable portion of a bookshelf that deals with 7.0.
That's a lot of paper. Just the "Comprehensive Index and Errors" book
looks to be somewhere around 400-500 pages.
I don't believe that MSC was part of MSDN back then. At least I don't
recall seeing it on my CD collection, although ISTR that there were
services packs for it there. Would then not be on MSDN cds from around that
time?
I don't think so. I did spend some effort to locate on of those that I
had some reference to, but it turned out to be nothing. (And I have
checked at least ten MSDN CDs for this material.)
11:20 a.m.
So I was thinking of the Handheld systems stuff here.
/Tomas
On Wed, 07 Oct 2020 16:23:49 +0200, Tomas By via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, 07 Oct 2020 16:18:15 +0200, <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
Would then not be on MSDN cds from around that
time?
I don't think so. I did spend some effort to locate on of those that I
had some reference to, but it turned out to be nothing. (And I have
checked at least ten MSDN CDs for this material.)
There are paper copies in some west coast US libraries, but I have not
yet gotten desperate enough to try that route.
/Tomas
9:55 a.m.
On 10/7/20 6:56 AM, Tomas By via cctalk wrote:
Hi again,
Am also looking for the manuals for Microsoft C 6.0, preferably in a
digital format.
/Tomas
https://www.pcjs.org/documents/books/mspl13/c/
10:09 a.m.
On Wed, 07 Oct 2020 18:55:40 +0200, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
Thank you.
/Tomas
10:42 a.m.
On Wed, 07 Oct 2020 18:55:40 +0200, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
For the record, the CD is available here:
https://archive.org/details/MicrosoftProgramersLibraryV1.3
In case you don't trust web sites to still be there after you look
away for a second.
/Tomas
10 a.m.
On 10/7/20 9:56 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 10/7/20 6:56 AM, Tomas By via cctalk wrote:
Did anyone ever turn up the driver DDK for Win 3.0?
Hi again,
Am also looking for the manuals for Microsoft C 6.0, preferably in a
digital format.
/Tomas
Looks like 6.0 ca. 1990 as their first ANSI C compiler?
10:24 a.m.
On 10/7/20 9:56 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 10/7/20 6:56 AM, Tomas By via cctalk wrote:
MSC 6.0 review
https://www.drdobbs.com/windows/optimizing-with-microsoft-c-60/184408398
appears 5.1 was ANSI
Hi again,
Am also looking for the manuals for Microsoft C 6.0, preferably in a
digital format.
/Tomas
Looks like 6.0 ca. 1990 as their first ANSI C compiler?
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