15 Dec
1998
15 Dec
'98
12:46 a.m.
Well, I guess we lost an RSX document resource for some reason.
http://rsxbbs.delconet.com/ has a shouting message and graphic:
"Due to negative comments by posters to vmsnet.pdp-11,
the RSX BBS was decommissioned on 13 December 1998.
There are no plans to restore the service. Some
material will be moved to a commercial site.
Previous donors should contact the Webmaster
to arrange return of their equipment or documents. "
I cannot keep up with Usenet groups for lack of time. Anybody know what the
'negative comments' were about that I (we) missed?
There were some Emulex docs posted there I wanted to check again (at URL:
http://rsxbbs.delconet.com/docs/emulex/index.html). Any other location??
Thanks, Chris
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Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/
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2:31 a.m.
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3:07 a.m.
New subject: Apple ][ FAQ archive site closed
Zane H. Healy wrote:
Which reminds me, in what appears to be a simular case, the Apple ][ FAQ
site has closed shop recently. Does anyone know where to find the Apple ][
FAQ's? They are a valuable source of information, and surprisingly detailed.
I just found that out yesterday when I was doing web research on the Apple
][. One of the links I saw (and don't recall where) mentioned that
permission was only granted to the makers of two CD-ROMs, so it may be
possible the Apple ][ information would be available there. The following
is a quote from the "FAQ" posted there:
This FAQ may not be sold, bundled on disks or CD-ROMs, reprinted in
magazines, books, periodicals, or the like without prior consent from
the maintainer, Nathan Mates. Exceptions are explicitly granted for
Joe Kohn's Shareware Solutions II newsletter, and Jim Maricondo's
Golden Orchard CD-ROM collection. Email me for permission otherwise.
This short "FAQ" had all the disclaimers and legal garbage in it and had a
link to the actual FAQ. If anyone finds a copy of the FAQ, I would most
definitely appreciate a copy!!!
3:59 a.m.
New subject: Apple ][ FAQ archive site closed
Zane H. Healy wrote:
>
> Which reminds me, in what appears to be a simular case, the Apple ][ FAQ
> site has closed shop recently. Does anyone know where to find the Apple ][
> FAQ's? They are a valuable source of information, and surprisingly detailed.
*rant on*
This still burns me up. See, what happened is, at some point before I joined,
Nathan Mates got custody of the faq, and spent a lot of time html-izing it and
cross-linking it and generally making it useful. Then he decided to make it
his personal crusade to drive certain people from the group by constant flames
insults, and generally reducing the signal to noise ratio to near zero. When
this failed, he threw a tantrum and wiped out the faq (without warning) and
left the group. Yes, it's annoying that there are still active pirates on
CSA2 who will rip off the few remaining software producers for the apple2.
But Nathan went far beyond this, including everyone who copies software from
extinct companies too. In the end, I really think he lost his mind.
*rant off*
The text based faq IS available, or at least most of it is, at
http://www.gno.org/pub/apple2/doc/FAQs/
--
Jim Strickland
jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com
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3:19 a.m.
New subject: Emulex doc archive site gone now - (now Apple II FAQs)
On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Which reminds me, in what appears to be a simular
case, the Apple ][ FAQ
site has closed shop recently. Does anyone know where to find the Apple ][
FAQ's? They are a valuable source of information, and surprisingly detailed.
You mean the official Nathan Mates Apple II FAQs, the ones with a linear
history back to the newsgroup charter. Nathan closed out any Apple II
support in a snit over "piracy" and the Asimov site in general. You
should be able to find his material through DejaNews using his name for
an author search.
There are also rival FAQs which are perhaps more complete at the ground
archive:
ftp://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/
http://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/
The gno site also seems to have them, URL unknown.
You can link to both locations by going to the A2Web site at:
http://www.syndicomm.com/a2web/
-- Stephen Dauphin
4 a.m.
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3:48 a.m.
On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Which reminds me, in what appears to be a simular
case, the Apple ][ FAQ
site has closed shop recently. Does anyone know where to find the Apple ][
FAQ's? They are a valuable source of information, and surprisingly detailed.
Try: http://www.gno.org/pub/apple2/doc/FAQs/
It isn't connecting right now for some reason but keep trying. The FAQs
were liberated some time ago when the then current FAQ maintainer didn't
get the pony he wanted and in a tantrum claimed to have formatted the hard
drive with his FAQs. So other people created their own FAQs. The FAQs at
the above link seem to go to copies of the original FAQs, but there are
new FAQs abound. Also, check comp.sys.apple2 for FAQ postings (or ask
there).
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2:32 a.m.
On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Christian Fandt wrote:
Well, I guess we lost an RSX document resource for
some reason.
http://rsxbbs.delconet.com/ has a shouting message and graphic:
"Due to negative comments by posters to vmsnet.pdp-11,
the RSX BBS was decommissioned on 13 December 1998.
There are no plans to restore the service. Some
material will be moved to a commercial site.
Previous donors should contact the Webmaster
to arrange return of their equipment or documents. "
I cannot keep up with Usenet groups for lack of time. Anybody know what the
'negative comments' were about that I (we) missed?
There were some Emulex docs posted there I wanted to check again (at URL:
http://rsxbbs.delconet.com/docs/emulex/index.html). Any other location??
Grrrr...that's why I usually download and archive any docs that I think I
might even have the *slightest* bit of interest in in the future.
This does seem a little petty. There was a thread of posts to
vmsnet.pdp-11 regarding correspondence between Bruce and another person
(go read the posts if you need names...). Basically, Bruce had asked this
person to remove a link to his site from their webpage, and wasn't
particularly diplomatic about it. He had kind of a Nazi policy about
links, but then again it *was* his site. This person posted that
correspondence to the group and it started a little flame, some of which
was not particularly kind. What a shame, there was some neat stuff there.
Did anyone archive some of the documentation on Bruce's site? I know I
have a bunch of it (maybe even some of the Emulex docs...let me look). If
anyone has some of those files, email me privately and I'll make them
"unofficially" available to the participants of this list.
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11:44 p.m.
New subject: RSX-11M site? Was: Re: Emulex doc archive site gone now . . .
At 20:38 12/15/98 -0800, Bruce Lane wrote:
like
At 09:46 15-12-98 -0500, Chris Fandt wrote:
Parts
Well, I guess we lost an RSX document resource for
some reason.
http://rsxbbs.delconet.com/ has a shouting message and graphic:
"Due to negative comments by posters to vmsnet.pdp-11,
the RSX BBS was decommissioned on 13 December 1998.
<snip>
I visited this web site just recently, purely out of curiousity. of the site were clearly marked with warnings against
linking to it, and
outright said things like 'Yes, we have an attitude problem' and other
nastiness. I found the entire tone to be rude in the extreme.
While it may have been a decent RSX resource, I would have to ask
myself 'is said resource really worth putting up with the site owner's poor
people skills, and apparent willingness to be offended at the slightest
criticism, constructive or otherwise?'
From what I've seen, it looks a lot like a case of a very insecure
control freak effectively saying 'If you're not gonna play by MY rules, I'm
gonna take my marbles and go HOME!' I can only speak for myself, but I say
'good riddance' and I hope the owner will be very happy with his piles of
documents and whatever else they've got.
A couple other list members and I had a message or two about this guy and my
take on him is that he's quite emotionally immature. Just like my wife's
ex-husband who who definitely is an immature control freak according to all
ex-friends and ex-employers. Deja Vu. He even messes up my 5 1/2 yr-old stepson
everytime he visits his father. (Don't get me started in rant mode!) What does
Mr. Mitchell have to prove otherwise by such an attitude??
I cannot keep up with Usenet groups for lack of
time. Anybody know what the
'negative comments' were about that I (we) missed?
I'm sorry, I thought you knew. Seems that the site's owner didn't
other people providing links to his site. Paranoid, I
guess, or they simply
didn't like free advertising. It turned into a shouting match with others on
Usenet, and it looks like he removed the resource purely out of spite.
Well Bruce, usually every week or ten days try to I take time to scan the
bunch of NGs that I try to pay attention to. I missed the mess on
vmsnet.pdp-11 (thank God!) so wasn't aware of the potential loss. Yes, good
riddance to such a volitile character.
So, to get to the theme of the revised Subject line, anybody know of a similar
RSX-11M resource online?
For that matter, who are the on-list RSX-11 experts (like our Megan is to
RT-11)?
Over the next months when I can grab time, I'm going to be getting more and
more into RSX-11M+ v. 3.0 on my uPDP-11 and RSX-11M v. 4.1 or 4.2 on my 11/34A.
I may need to ask questions not found (or understood) in my manual set.
Thanks all.
Regards, Chris
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Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/
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