In that case, it sounds like what you really want are graphical full-screen applications, possibly with multitasking. In this case, the window decorations would just take up screen-space, and the windowing system would just take up memory, while not doing you too much good anyway. Not something that's been done yet, but it would be interesting, and it certainly wouldn't be too difficult. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '