Most parts state that for direct sunlight to erase EPROMs, you're talking
*days* of continued exposure. The energy of a UV erasing bulb is *much*
higher than the tube in a scanner. And obviously a scanner tube contains a
low amount of UV, or it would sport a required warning for eye damage.
--John
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From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On
Behalf Of Don Maslin
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 20:50
To: 'cctalk(a)classiccmp.org'
Subject: RE: [CCTALK] EPROM Life... Was: scanners & circuit boards...
On Thu, 16 May 2002, Corda Albert J DLVA wrote:
Now, I don't know the construction/nature of the
tubes used
in scanners, but I myself would be wary of photocopying or
scanning a PC board with an unprotected (i.e. uncovered) EPROM
window face-down on the scanning surface. My reasoning is
as follows;
Although a fluorescent tube in good condition shouldn't emit
much UV, one has to remember the way such a bulb functions.
The excited gas inside the tube emits almost entirely in the
UV spectrum. This is converted to the visible spectrum by the
phospor coating on the inside surface of the tube. Over time,
I have seen some of the coating flake off the inside of old
flourescent tubes, providing a bunch of small UV "windows".
Most UV Eproms begin to erase when exposed to UV wavelengths
shorter than 4000 A (Angstroms). I found the following
statement concerning EPROM sensitivity to UV light on page
10-9 of the National Semiconductor 1984 "CMOS Databook" (and
yes, I _am_ a packrat when it comes to old databooks :-)
concerning the 27C16 (a very common older type of EPROM):
No one that I have know of has taken note of the brevity of
exposure to the light of a scanner or a copying machine. It
seems to me that barring many repetitive exposures - and I
mean MANY - the likelihood of damage is almost nil. And, of
course, there is also the UV blocking of glass as well.
Chicken Little, anyone?
- don
Erasure Characteristics:
"... It should be noted that sunlight and certain types of
fluorescent lamps have wavelengths in the 3000 A - 4000 A
range. Data shows that constant exposure to room-level
flourescent lighting could erase the typical NMC27C16 in
approximately 3 Years, while it would take approximately
1 week to cause erasure when exposed to direct sunlight..."
Also, one must keep in mind that the timeframes listed
above are probably derived from studies of "freshly programmed"
eproms. Most of the ones we would be interested in would
already have a number of years of charge decay under their
belts. I was unable to find a reference to a finite lifetime
for UV Eproms, but I seem to vaguely recall that there is
a limit (~10 Years? sounds short, but I seem to remember
reading it somewhere. Does anyone have this number at hand?)
The end result of all this is that if you have any equipment
you consider valuable, and it has windowed EPROMS, make certain
that the windows are covered with an opague sticker. You might
also consider dumping their contents to a data file for archival
purposes. (and possibly re-programming them to effectively
"refresh" them).
-al-
-acorda(a)1bigred.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 4:16 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: [CCTALK] [CCTECH] scanners & circuit boards...
On Wed, 15 May 2002, Jeff Hellige wrote:
What's everyone's thoughts on placing
circuit boards directly on the
bed of a scanner for imaging? Any possibility of damage to
the board
from the light or other parts of the scanner?
I've done it before
with good results but not with anything truly unique.
I'd be more concerned with accidentally scratching the glass
bed of the
scanner due to sharp component leads. I guess that there is a slight
possibility of degrading the contents of an EPROM if its window isn't
covered. The fluorescent tube the scanner uses to illuminate the bed
really shouldn't be emitting too much in the way of UV or
near UV light
though. Other than UV erasable components that don't have their window
covered, I can't think of anything else I'd be concerned about.
-Toth
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