On Aug 20, 2004, at 1:12 AM, Stan Barr wrote:

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004, Hans Franke wrote: Hans, I made it easy for you. The VCF website has always been accessible this way: http://vintage.org Do I get a cookie? Or better yet, pumperknickel please! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

Am 20 Aug 2004 13:25 meinte David V. Corbin: Yep, you're right here. If there are multiple _computers_ with multiple _ip-addresses_ involved. Just, to my unserstandig at least 98% of all domain names registered are done so for websites, often running with several hundrets other on the same machine. So, why do they tell their servers only to react onto the subdomain www. ? Anyway, it's one of the things we will never get rid of again. Gruss H. -- VCF Europa 6.0 am 30.April und 01.Mai 2005 in Muenchen http://www.vcfe.org/

[about http://exmaple.com/ vs http://www.example.com/] [Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com>] What's the difference? That's a serious question. What is your definition of a subdomain, as distinct from an "FQDN of an individual host"? Which ones? [Jochen Kunz <jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de>] What _is_ the difference? As far as I can tell, a host name is just a domain name that happens to correspond to a host in some sense (usually by way of an address). ...huh? Some IP addresses refer to nothing at all. Some IP addresses refer to individual hosts. Some IP addresses refer to multiple hosts (think a large load-balanced server farm). And that's not even considering IP addresses that have different meaning to different places (any RFC-1918 address, or anything in 127/8). Some hosts have no addresses (though we can probably ignore them for our purposes). Some hosts have exactly one. Some have more than one. Also, equating hosts to FQDNs, as your parenthetical comment does, is incorrect, unless you are trying to redefine one or both of the terms. Some FQDNs do not refer to anything; some refer to exactly one machine; some refer to multiple machines - and some machines have no FQDN, some have exactly one, and some have more than one. Similar remarks are true of the mapping between FQDNs and IP addresses. Whatever gives you the idea that hosts have to be leaves of the DNS tree, that only leaves may have addresses, or be used as machine names? I can't recall ever seeing any such requirement, nor even recommendation, nor can I see any basis for one. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B

It was thus said that the Great der Mouse once stated: Well, in my case, slab.conman.org and nolab.conman.org refer to actual networks (slab.conman.org being my home network, and nolab.conman.org being the home network of a friend) so technically they would be subdomains (for instance, I have area51.slab.conman.org as a host (firewall/NAT system), and my friend has kwalitee.nolab.conman.org as a host (his firewall/NAT system)). The two subdomains also have their own zone files (in the case of slab.conman.org, the master is on swift.conman.org, which is the primary DNS server for my domain as a whole, while nolab.conman.org is on my friend's computer which swift.conman.org slaves from). While I didn't *have* to do this, for a larger organization it does make sense to break up subdomains into their own zones. A FQDN is simply the host name with its domain (and subdomains, if any). So, "kwalitee" [1] is just a hostname, while it's fully qualified domain name is "kwalitee.nolab.conman.org" (or "kwalitee.nolab.conman.org."); I'm not sure what you would call "kwalitee.nolab" as it's not a hostname, and it's not a FQDN. Perhaps a Partially Qualified Domain Name (PQDN)? Yes, I too would like to know. -spc (I personally prefer "www.example.com" but have also set up the bare domain name to point to an IP address for serving up the website) [1] I'd use my own network as an example, but on a lark (several years ago) I set up my own private TLD for use here on the home network (".area51") and experiemented around with zone delagations (I had three second level domains defined, all delegated---one was my half of the network, the second was my roommate's half of the network, and the third was the wireless network). I figured that would confuse the issue even more.

Am 20 Aug 2004 21:01 meinte Jochen Kunz: Ok, I know why I love this group so much. Not only nerds, but also nitpicking nerds ... I guess I fit here quite well. Fine, a whole load of ashes on my head. Nonetheless, the point stays, that, if a second level domain has only one host, there is no need to create computer names within. Nor any standard asking that, if you run a specific service, you have to add names. Klar, warum glaubst Du kommen wir miteinander zurecht? Gruss H. -- VCF Europa 6.0 am 30.April und 01.Mai 2005 in Muenchen http://www.vcfe.org/

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> wrote: Fremde Sprache? Kommt auf den Standpunkt an. ;-))) -- tsch??, Jochen Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004, Jochen Kunz wrote: In Amerika, alle volk nicht von hier ist Fremde ;) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, Hans Franke wrote: Nope, especially the critters. You have to blow them away whenever you see them poke their head out of the ground. You can't trust 'em! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

It was thus said that the Great Hans Franke once stated: I beg to differ. Technically, my domain, conman.org, only has one host, swift.conman.org. I also defined the following "names:" ns1 www literature bible boston lists as CNAMEs pointing to swift.conman.org. NS1 for domain registration purposes (it just makes it easier to deal) and LISTS *was* intended to separate the mailing lists I run (like I'm ever going to get another server just for the mailing lists). The others, WWW, LITERATURE, BIBLE and BOSTON are all websites (with WWW.conman.org being the same site as just CONMAN.ORG). I'm actually surprised at how few sites actually take advantage of multiple hostnames for portions of their website. Heck, I went completely overboard with the zonefile for conman.org; I'm sure I'm one of the very few people with acurrate HINFO, RP, WKS and LOC records (along with SRV records---why not?). -spc (oh, and TXT records ... can't forget those ... )

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004, Jules Richardson wrote: I thought IE assumes you mean "www.kkk.com" if you just type in "kkk", but I just tested that theory and it didn't work in IE6. I was pretty sure it used to work this way. Or they forgot to point the basic domain name to their webserver in DNS. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

At 19:18 20/08/2004, Jules Richardson wrote: In opera. Tools > Preferences > Network > [Server Name Completion] Allows you to specify what (if anything) Opera will add to the front and end if it can't find the host you asked for. IE does support this too, but I think it's buried in registry entries somewhere. Rob