1 May
2002
1 May
'02
2:52 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris [mailto:mythtech@mac.com]
Apple Computer
Co. always impressed me as being
entirely too willing to compromise the quality of MY
hardware/software, and
>the security of my data, in favor of their profits. WOAH?!? That's just a shot from the dark... Apple
is known
for how good
their quality IS... sure they had a few flops, but most of
I wouldn't say that. Apple hardware is passable for "consumer"
stuff, sure, but it's not good. Better than most peesee clone
manufacturers? Sure, but again, that doesn't make it good.
You're welcome to buy an all-in-one box with a plastic bubble
for a case if you like, but I'm not going to. :)
I will also grant that Apple's hardware used to be better when
compared to peesee stuff than it is now (possibly due to Apple's
cutting costs)...
their hardware
is built well, and built to last. And security? Um...
I've seen better. I have better. (I also have a couple of
Macintosh's, a IIGS, etc... which still work fine, to be
fair)
compared to what?
VMS? :) Even a poorly configured Unix -- until OS X.
MacOS had no built-in security at that point. (I hope you
won't seriously suggest that "At Ease" counts... :)
Windows? BWAA HAA HAA HAA HAA!!!
Heh.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl
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1 May
1 May
3:20 a.m.
It's not reasonable to compare the Apple product line with the generalized
category of "PC" hardware, since the latter was contrived from the ground up
with the idea of having 3rd party hardware and software, while the former was
intended to work in quite the opposite way. Apple's policy toward
3rd-party-anything has, in most cases, been "over our dead body ..." which
it's nearly been on several occasions. As a result, they (Apple Computer Co)
can take off in a new direction knowing nobody will sue them if they find it's
a dead end and simply abandon it, which they've done from time to time.
Since the PC community is a very large and diverse group, with nobody at its
head, now that IBM is no longer in the lead, it takes lots of meetings and
overcoming vast inertia, like steering a battleship, to change direction. It
goes straight ahead just fine, but slalom is not its best event.
The two are almost impossible to compare objectively because they're so
different. One of the best things about the PC market is that once a product
line is accepted, it's out there at minimal cost because everybody knows that
even if only .001% of the market buys it, the volume's a justification. With
the Apple stuff, it's much more difficult. Perhaps that's why Firewire, which
is apparently supported adequately at the MAC end, hasn't become a major force
on the PC market, though it has seemingly interfered with Fibrechannel in the
home market.
Does the MAC support USB? How about USB-2? 5-port boards for the PC cost
about $20.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Smith" <csmith(a)amdocs.com
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: APPLEVISION Monitor
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-----Original
Message-----
From: Chris [mailto:mythtech@mac.com]
Apple
Computer Co. always impressed me as being
entirely too willing to compromise the quality of MY
hardware/software, and
>the security of my data, in favor of their profits. WOAH?!? That's just a shot from the dark...
Apple is known
for how good
their quality IS... sure they had a few flops, but most of
I wouldn't say that. Apple hardware is passable for "consumer"
stuff, sure, but it's not good. Better than most peesee clone
manufacturers? Sure, but again, that doesn't make it good.
You're welcome to buy an all-in-one box with a plastic bubble
for a case if you like, but I'm not going to. :)
I will also grant that Apple's hardware used to be better when
compared to peesee stuff than it is now (possibly due to Apple's
cutting costs)...
their hardware
is built well, and built to last. And security? Um...
I've seen better. I have better. (I also have a couple of
Macintosh's, a IIGS, etc... which still work fine, to be
fair)
compared to what?
VMS? :) Even a poorly configured Unix -- until OS X.
MacOS had no built-in security at that point. (I hope you
won't seriously suggest that "At Ease" counts... :)
Windows? BWAA HAA HAA HAA HAA!!!
Heh.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl
Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
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3:56 a.m.
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote:
Does the MAC support USB? How about USB-2? 5-port
boards for the PC cost
about $20.
Dick
It should work, assuming you have a new enough Mac or a something that'll
accept a PCI USB card. In case you didn't notice, the iMac is all USB
(except for its modem or ethernet connection IIRC). About the oldest
things to support PCI however are the 7200, 7500, 82xx and 92xx, I think.
You should, in fact, be able to pretty cheaply pick up a Mac clone - those
will almost definately have PCI, and will be cheaper than an Apple Mac
computer with the same configuration. The only problem I've seemed to
notice is that my PowerBase 200 (built from free and spare parts) has a
completely retarded case design and a somewhat slow bus speed. With cost
cuts come crappier hardware designs I guess.
-- Pat
4:48 a.m.
... well ... it's not a safe assumption. I've got a couple of Performas that
I bought yesterday for ~$10 for the two (plus tax). They work fine, but you
know they don't have PCI compatablity.
It's good to know about that, though. This USB-2 seems to hold out a lot of
promise, particularly with the low cost of the boards.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Finnegan" <pat(a)purdueriots.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: APPLEVISION Monitor
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote:
Does the MAC support USB? How about USB-2?
5-port boards for the PC cost
about $20.
Dick
It should work, assuming you have a new enough Mac or a something that'll
accept a PCI USB card. In case you didn't notice, the iMac is all USB
(except for its modem or ethernet connection IIRC). About the oldest
things to support PCI however are the 7200, 7500, 82xx and 92xx, I think.
You should, in fact, be able to pretty cheaply pick up a Mac clone - those
will almost definately have PCI, and will be cheaper than an Apple Mac
computer with the same configuration. The only problem I've seemed to
notice is that my PowerBase 200 (built from free and spare parts) has a
completely retarded case design and a somewhat slow bus speed. With cost
cuts come crappier hardware designs I guess.
-- Pat
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