Kai said: I don?t of anything that would keep an LSI-11 from being called a microcomputer. DEC calls it the first 16 bit microcomputer. I have a DEC brochure that says on the the cover "LSI-11 The Microcomputer Family of the 80?s". Someone already explained the LNW-80, but the PMC-80 and the PMC-81 were built by a company called Personal Micro Computers Inc. of Mountain View, CA. They were sued by Tandy in what maybe the first case of firmware infringement (the keyboard input routine was too similar to the one in the Model I, AFAIK). So their next computer was the 128K CP/M machine, the PMC-101 "MicroMate". http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum/mpmc.htm A RCA COSMAC 1802 is a microprocessor, right? And I still have not find any evidence that there was a kit for the ELF, the Popular Electronics ELF was just plans in a magazine. You could say "ELF II/Super ELF". The microcomputer that I would add to the list would be the Heathkit ET-18 "Hero 1". It's a 6808 based microcomputer that has some really great interface options. Oh! and it's a portable too. :) --Doug ==================================================== Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com (work) Sr. Software Eng. mranalog(a)home.com (home) Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com Sunnyvale,CA Curator Analog Computer Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog ====================================================