25 Aug
2004
25 Aug
'04
4:56 a.m.
I've been searching the net for DOS based electronics software, and I'm
coming up pretty dry. Was hoping someone had suggestions with all the
electronics folks here.
1) Looking for a dos based databook application, primarily for 74xx series
and such. Something that will give me quick access to pinouts, data sheet
info, etc. I did find a promising dos app called ICID, but alas, when it
goes to display pinout info it just blanks the screen on my Toshiba 3200
(only on the pinout page, the rest of the app displays fine).
2) Also need a DOS based semiconductor cross reference guide. I've found a
few out there that are free, but they are all windows based.
3) Lastly, looking for a program that will collect data from and control my
1631 logic analyser via HPIB. I can't find anything on this.
4) Any other handy dos programs for the bench.
Please help, I can't stand the thought of a Windows machine being on the
bench next to me vintage gear :>
Regards,
Jay West
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25 Aug
5:11 a.m.
Jay, I have a couple of old pacakges on early CDROM that I need to dig up
- also, the Simtel mirrors have a ton of this type of software, still
being sold today (sold as in 'pay for the media') and still very much
meant for DOS.
Hell, even the PIC programming and compilers that came with my
programmer was mainly for DOS, though someone had, rather inexpertly,
ported it to the Windows world....
Contact me off-list and we'll arrange Logistics.
Cheers
John
5:56 a.m.
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Jay, I have a couple of old pacakges on early CDROM
that I need to dig
up - also, the Simtel mirrors have a ton of this type of software, still
being sold today (sold as in 'pay for the media') and still very much
meant for DOS.
Hell, even the PIC programming and compilers that came with my
programmer was mainly for DOS, though someone had, rather inexpertly,
ported it to the Windows world....
Otay, I'll ask this again now that Jay's gotten everyone's attention:
Is there any good older software (Dos works, Linux works, but Winders is ok
too, if that's all there is) for making the JEDEC files for older
PALs/GALs/PEELs?
The free software from Atmel & Lattice are geared around the newer FPGAs
that you could build a 6809 out of, and are correspondingly difficult to
comprehend for simpler matters. All I want to do is design a couple of
PEELs for address decoding for a couple projects on my CoCos and Model 200...
Thanks,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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6:10 a.m.
Otay, I'll ask this again now that Jay's gotten everyone's attention:
Is there any good older software (Dos works, Linux works, but Winders is ok
too, if that's all there is) for making the JEDEC files for older
PALs/GALs/PEELs?
The free software from Atmel & Lattice are geared around the newer FPGAs
that you could build a 6809 out of, and are correspondingly difficult to
comprehend for simpler matters. All I want to do is design a couple of
PEELs for address decoding for a couple projects on my CoCos and Model 200...
OPAL (from Nat Semi) is a decent GAL compiler for DOS. Its probably a PALASM
decendent.
Thanks,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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Peter Wallace
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6:25 a.m.
"Peter C. Wallace" wrote:
OPAL (from Nat Semi) is a decent GAL compiler for DOS. Its probably a PALASM
decendent.
I'll probably regret asking this, but wasn't PALASM source available in
FORTRAN long ago? (or did I make that up?)
ok, wait - google is my friend - it figures Eric would have a page on this :-)
http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/retrocomputing/mmi/palasm/
(believe it or not some of my customers still use 16L8's, despite my
constant complaining)
and, there's even a program there to convert jedec back to equations - woo hoo!
thanks Eric!
-brad
6:47 a.m.
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[snippety]
OPAL (from Nat Semi) is a decent GAL compiler for DOS. Its probably a PALASM
decendent.
Hrm. It seems natsemi is no longer in the PAL/GAL bidniz and is prodding
everyone over to Xilinx. As such, their OPAL or any other flavor of palasm
is not available on their website any longer.
Hrmph. :-(
Would you just happen to have a local copy of the software?
Thanks,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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7:07 a.m.
>> Hrm. It seems natsemi is no longer in the
PAL/GAL bidniz
>> and is prodding everyone over to Xilinx. As such, their
>> OPAL or any other flavor of palasm is not available on
>> their website any longer.
I previously got a version from...
http://www.engr.uky.edu/~melham01/ee481/software.htm
The link is valid, but I have not gone further....good luck.
>>
7:14 a.m.
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, David V. Corbin wrote:
And yes, I have it if that link does not work...
Peter Wallace
>> Hrm.
It seems natsemi is no longer in the PAL/GAL bidniz
>> and is prodding everyone over to Xilinx. As such, their
>> OPAL or any other flavor of palasm is not available on
>> their website any longer.
I previously got a version from...
http://www.engr.uky.edu/~melham01/ee481/software.htm
The link is valid, but I have not gone further....good luck.
>>
7:37 a.m.
Rumor has it that Peter C. Wallace may have mentioned these words:
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, David V. Corbin wrote:
> >>> Hrm. It seems natsemi is no longer in the PAL/GAL bidniz
> >>> and is prodding everyone over to Xilinx. As such, their
> >>> OPAL or any other flavor of palasm is not available on
> >>> their website any longer.
>
> I previously got a version from...
> http://www.engr.uky.edu/~melham01/ee481/software.htm
>
> The link is valid, but I have not gone further....good luck.
On a lark, I googled for palasm just in case "it was out there" and found
that link myself...
... now for a "GALs for Dummies" link... hehehe ;-)
Thanks,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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7:17 a.m.
[...]
Otay, I'll ask this again now that Jay's
gotten everyone's attention:
Is there any good older software (Dos works, Linux works, but Winders is
ok
too, if that's all there is) for making the JEDEC files for older
PALs/GALs/PEELs?
The free software from Atmel & Lattice are geared around the newer FPGAs
that you could build a 6809 out of, and are correspondingly difficult to
comprehend for simpler matters. All I want to do is design a couple of
PEELs for address decoding for a couple projects on my CoCos and Model
200...
easyABEL
There was a free (or maybe shareware) version of it, so it should
be easy to find...
...found it: :-)
http://boss.iele.polsl.gliwice.pl/public/programowanie/EasyAbel/
bye
Thilo
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10:05 a.m.
>> > The free software from Atmel &
Lattice are geared around
>> the newer FPGAs that you could build a 6809 out of....
Has anyone actually done this? The reason I ask is I developed a bunh of
code around the 6809 architecture. Some of it would be worth resurrecting IF
I code get a "micro-codable" implementation with some other features...Just
an idea...or maybe the dementia is surfacing....
6:18 a.m.
>>>> "Jay" == Jay West
<jwest(a)classiccmp.org> writes:
Jay> I've been searching the net for DOS based electronics software,
Jay> and I'm coming up pretty dry. Was hoping someone had suggestions
Jay> with all the electronics folks here.
There are the older versions of Eagle CAD, a pretty nice schematic
capture and PCB layout program. I have used 2.6 for years; it's DOS
based. Newer versions run on Windows and Linux, including free ones
that are fairly limited but still useful.;
paul
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