7 Jul
2015
7 Jul
'15
5:55 p.m.
Johnny Billquist bqt at update.uu.se wrote:
some of the 8000-series stuff are probably the biggest ...
Not all of them. The 82xx/83xx family was just one 10-1/2" chassis for
the CPU - the same physical size as a 11/730, yet they were genuine single
or dual CPU BI bus VAXen. Of course, many of their brothers were quite a
bit bigger.
And don't forget the VAXstation-8000...
Bob
7 Jul
7 Jul
6:02 p.m.
On 2015-07-07 23:55, Robert Armstrong wrote:
Right. But I did say "some". :-)
Think 8978 for example...
Johnny
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Johnny
Billquist bqt at update.uu.se wrote:
some of the 8000-series stuff are probably the biggest ...
Not all of them. The 82xx/83xx family was just one 10-1/2" chassis for
the CPU - the same physical size as a 11/730, yet they were genuine single
or dual CPU BI bus VAXen. Of course, many of their brothers were quite a
bit bigger.
And don't forget the VAXstation-8000... 
6:23 p.m.
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Betreff: Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)
On 2015-07-07 23:55, Robert Armstrong wrote:
for
I'd say that the 8000 series (besides the 11/7x0 series) were the most diverse in size
compared to the 6000, 7000 and 9000 series. As already mentioned, the 82x0 or 83x0 fit
into a small half-height cabinet. The 85x0 has the size of a 6000 or 7000 series vax, if I
remember well. The 8800 series were housed in very large cabients, larger than the 6000
and 7000 series cabinets.
Pierre
Johnny
Billquist bqt at update.uu.se wrote:
some of the 8000-series stuff are probably the biggest ...
Not all of them. The 82xx/83xx family was just one 10-1/2" chassis the CPU - the same physical size as a 11/730,
yet they were genuine single
or dual CPU BI bus VAXen. Of course, many of their brothers were quite a
bit bigger.
And don't forget the VAXstation-8000...
Right. But I did say "some". :-)
Think 8978 for example... 
8 Jul
8 Jul
2:53 a.m.
Personally I think anything with castors on....
On Jul 8, 2015 7:37 AM, "P Gebhardt" <p.gebhardt at ymail.com> wrote:
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I'd say that the 8000 series (besides the 11/7x0 series) were the most
diverse in size compared to the 6000, 7000 and 9000 series. As already
mentioned, the 82x0 or 83x0 fit into a small half-height cabinet. The 85x0
has the size of a 6000 or 7000 series vax, if I remember well. The 8800
series were housed in very large cabients, larger than the 6000 and 7000
series cabinets.
Pierre
Von: Johnny Billquist <bqt at
update.uu.se>
An: cctech at classiccmp.org
CC:
Gesendet: 23:02 Dienstag, 7.Juli 2015
Betreff: Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)
On 2015-07-07 23:55, Robert Armstrong wrote:
for
> the CPU - the same physical size as a 11/730, yet they were genuine
single
Johnny
Billquist bqt at update.uu.se wrote:
some of the 8000-series stuff are probably the biggest ...
Not all of them. The 82xx/83xx family was just one 10-1/2" chassis > or dual CPU BI bus VAXen. Of course, many
of their brothers were
quite a
bit
bigger.
And don't forget the VAXstation-8000...
Right. But I did say "some". :-)
Think 8978 for example... 
11:06 a.m.
And not consistent; under that criterion a BA123 or S-box would count but a
BA23-based system is disqualified, while the two could be identical systems
once you open up the card cage! No fair. :O
Best,
Sean
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jul 2015, Dave Wade wrote:
Personally I think anything with castors on....
No.
I have a PC "server" case from late 286 era with tiny casters.
But, it was nice to be able to have more than 4 "full-height" drives.
11:34 a.m.
On 2015-07-08 10:46 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jul 2015, Dave Wade wrote:
Plus I'm guessing (admittedly) that the Really Big VAX racks don't have
castors either?
--Toby
Personally I think anything with castors on....
No.
I have a PC "server" case from late 286 era with tiny casters.
But, it was nice to be able to have more than 4 "full-height" drives.
11:37 a.m.
I've never meet a full-size rack that didn't have casters ... otherwise
there'd be no way to move it around. :O There must have been? Of course,
you'd put the feet down once the equipment is situated.
Best,
Sean
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Toby Thain <toby at telegraphics.com.au>
wrote:
On 2015-07-08 10:46 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jul 2015, Dave Wade wrote:
Plus I'm guessing (admittedly) that the Really Big VAX racks don't have
castors either?
--Toby
Personally I think anything with castors on....
No.
I have a PC "server" case from late 286 era with tiny casters.
But, it was nice to be able to have more than 4 "full-height" drives.
12:01 p.m.
On Jul 8, 2015, at 08:34, Toby Thain <toby at
telegraphics.com.au> wrote:
Plus I'm guessing (admittedly) that the Really Big VAX racks don't have castors
either?
The VAX-11/780 has casters. Back in college, a friend and I pushed a decommissioned 11/780
out of the computer room and into our boss's tiny office while he was out on vacation.
We powered up a few blowers and added a hard-copy terminal with some text on the paper to
make it look like we were trying to boot the machine. I wish I was on shift to see his
face when he arrived the next morning. I was told that his wide-eyed reaction was
"... and it's RUNNING?!"
Another boss later got the same treatment with a TU77 drive. Good times, good times.
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net>
http://www.nf6x.net/
12:05 p.m.
Oh yes they did! And screw down feet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=VAX#/media/File:SPEC-1_VAX_05.jpg
On 8 July 2015 at 16:34, Toby Thain <toby at telegraphics.com.au> wrote:
On 2015-07-08 10:46 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
--
4.4 > 5.4
On Wed, 8 Jul 2015, Dave Wade wrote:
Plus I'm guessing (admittedly) that the Really Big VAX racks don't have
castors either?
--Toby
Personally I think anything with castors on....
No.
I have a PC "server" case from late 286 era with tiny casters.
But, it was nice to be able to have more than 4 "full-height" drives.
12:05 p.m.
On Jul 8, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Toby Thain <toby at
telegraphics.com.au> wrote:
On 2015-07-08 10:46 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
Sure they do. How else would you move them around? ;-)
TTFN - Guy
On Wed, 8 Jul 2015, Dave Wade wrote:
Plus I'm guessing (admittedly) that the Really Big VAX racks don't have castors
either? Personally I think anything with castors on....
No.
I have a PC "server" case from late 286 era with tiny casters.
But, it was nice to be able to have more than 4 "full-height" drives.
12:25 p.m.
On 2015-07-08 12:05 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
Oh, I know some of them do. I suppose the "screw down feet" mentioned
come into play when actually installed. Just wasn't sure if castors were
actually on all the big ones.
--T
On Jul 8, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Toby Thain <toby
at telegraphics.com.au> wrote:
On 2015-07-08 10:46 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
Sure they do. How else would you move them around? ;-) On Wed, 8 Jul 2015, Dave Wade wrote:
Plus I'm guessing (admittedly) that the Really Big VAX racks don't have castors
either? Personally I think anything with castors on....
No.
I have a PC "server" case from late 286 era with tiny casters.
But, it was nice to be able to have more than 4 "full-height" drives.
TTFN - Guy
12:45 p.m.
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From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Toby
Thain
Sent: 08 July 2015 16:34
To: General at classiccmp.org; Discussion at classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off-
Topic Posts
Subject: Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)
On 2015-07-08 10:46 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
Most big racks have castors, or wheels of some sort to allow easy
positioning and moving. I do know that modern IBM 19" racks are not supposed
to be moved when laden which got me into some trouble when I was still
working.
Someone (not me) re-designed the machine room layout with racks up against
the side of the room, so you couldn't get one between an extended server and
the room wall when I pointed out that:-
You need two folks to lift a server into or out of the rack.
IBM say it is not safe to move the rack when laden,
The ended up buying a server "hoist" to get the things in and out of the
racks....
http://serverlift.com/
... not cheap, but in actual fact a much better way of getting things in and
out of 19" racks...
On Wed, 8 Jul 2015, Dave Wade wrote:
Plus I'm guessing (admittedly) that the Really Big VAX racks don't have
castors either?
Personally I think anything with castors on....
No.
I have a PC "server" case from late 286 era with tiny casters.
But, it was nice to be able to have more than 4 "full-height" drives.
--Toby
Dave
G4UGM
1:44 p.m.
I love those server hoists... the data center that I work in at U-M has two
of them, however they are made by Genie and they are a hand-crank type, no
automatic lift. They easily turn a job that could require two, three or
even four people into a job that can be quickly done by one person. I
really wish I had one for home! :O
Best,
Sean
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Dave G4UGM <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
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Sent: 08 July 2015 16:34
To: General at classiccmp.org; Discussion at classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off-
Topic Posts
Subject: Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)
On 2015-07-08 10:46 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
Most big racks have castors, or wheels of some sort to allow easy
positioning and moving. I do know that modern IBM 19" racks are not
supposed
to be moved when laden which got me into some trouble when I was still
working.
Someone (not me) re-designed the machine room layout with racks up against
the side of the room, so you couldn't get one between an extended server
and
the room wall when I pointed out that:-
You need two folks to lift a server into or out of the rack.
IBM say it is not safe to move the rack when laden,
The ended up buying a server "hoist" to get the things in and out of the
racks....
http://serverlift.com/
... not cheap, but in actual fact a much better way of getting things in
and
out of 19" racks...
On Wed, 8 Jul 2015, Dave Wade wrote:
Plus I'm guessing (admittedly) that the Really Big VAX racks don't have
castors either?
Personally I think anything with castors on....
No.
I have a PC "server" case from late 286 era with tiny casters.
But, it was nice to be able to have more than 4 "full-height" drives.
--Toby
Dave
G4UGM
3:59 p.m.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu> wrote:
I love those server hoists... the data center that I
work in at U-M has two
of them, however they are made by Genie and they are a hand-crank type, no
automatic lift. They easily turn a job that could require two, three or
even four people into a job that can be quickly done by one person. I
really wish I had one for home! :O
We never had those back when I managed rooms with a dozen H960s. I
wanted one then, and I'd love one now.
We just did it the hard way - 2-3 people juggling 100 lb boxes in the
air... not recommended, I know, but it's what we did.
-ethan
4:10 p.m.
On 7/8/15 12:59 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Sean Caron <scaron
at umich.edu> wrote:
I have a Genie lift that
I acquired a number of years ago. It is the
single best piece of
equipment for managing what I have in racks. I used to find excuses for
not rearranging
what's in the various racks. Not any more! ;-)
My only complaint is that mine has a 400lb cast iron counter weight
(which means the
total weight of the lift is >500lbs. Unless I have a truck with a lift
gate, I don't take my
lift anywhere. The counter weight isn't really big enough to get the
requisite number
of people to be able to lift it comfortably.
TTFN - Guy
I love those server hoists... the data center
that I work in at U-M has two
of them, however they are made by Genie and they are a hand-crank type, no
automatic lift. They easily turn a job that could require two, three or
even four people into a job that can be quickly done by one person. I
really wish I had one for home! :O
We never had those back when I managed rooms
with a dozen H960s. I
wanted one then, and I'd love one now.
We just did it the hard way - 2-3 people juggling 100 lb boxes in the
air... not recommended, I know, but it's what we did.
12:33 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred
Cisin
Sent: 08 July 2015 15:47
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)
On Wed, 8 Jul 2015, Dave Wade wrote:
I meant a VAX with Castors....
Dave
Personally I think anything with castors on....
No.
I have a PC "server" case from late 286 era with tiny casters.
But, it was nice to be able to have more than 4 "full-height" drives. 
8 Jul
8 Jul
5:21 a.m.
On 2015-07-08 01:19, Antonio Carlini wrote:
On 07/07/15 23:02, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Good question. The designation definitely existed, but yes, it's just a
cluster of 8 8800 machines. But the size of that thing...
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
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Right. But I did say "some". :-)
Think 8978 for example...
Does that really count as a VAX? It was just a marketing name for
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