7 Feb
2014
7 Feb
'14
11:53 a.m.
1978 satellite returns to Earth orbit, still live - but NASA no longer
has transmitting/receiving equipment old enough to communicate with
it.
http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2014/02070836-isee-3.html
There might be potential for a CCmper to save the day on this one! :?)
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7 Feb
7 Feb
5:51 p.m.
Nowadays, there are groups of scholars who build their own sattelites and
launch them for fun, there are tinkerers, there are ham operators
everywhere still, and the internet, both for collaboration and distributed
communication via stations. We have advanced so far technologically that
wrangling the greatest minds in the US together to solve this problem, with
bragging rights alone as compensation, should be a piece of cake. I want to
see the nerds save the day here. But, in reality, I see the rule-makers
mumbling something about "Terrorism" under their breath and nothing
happening...
On Feb 7, 2014 5:06 PM, "Liam Proven" <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:
1978 satellite returns to Earth orbit, still live -
but NASA no longer
has transmitting/receiving equipment old enough to communicate with
it.
http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2014/02070836-isee-3.html
There might be potential for a CCmper to save the day on this one! :?)
--
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Email: lproven at cix.co.uk * GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven
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8 Feb
8 Feb
7:40 a.m.
On 02/07/2014 08:51 PM, joe lobocki wrote:
Nowadays, there are groups of scholars who build their
own sattelites and
launch them for fun, there are tinkerers, there are ham operators
everywhere still, and the internet, both for collaboration and distributed
communication via stations. We have advanced so far technologically that
wrangling the greatest minds in the US together to solve this problem, with
bragging rights alone as compensation, should be a piece of cake. I want to
see the nerds save the day here. But, in reality, I see the rule-makers
mumbling something about "Terrorism" under their breath and nothing
happening...
On Feb 7, 2014 5:06 PM, "Liam Proven" <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:
All that is needed for the Amateur radio folk so inclined is:
What Receive (RX) freq
What Transmit (TX) freq
What is the encoding scheme and protocol (command, and telemetry)
Stat-side antenna gains for TX and RX and MDS of receiver and TX power.
That is used to calculate path loss for expected RX signal and TX
power needed.
Receiving is legally trivial as no license is required. Once heard the
schema
for decoding the telemtry and data stream would e needed. Note original
Fortran or source code is fine as SIMH and a machine description can make
that go. Or likely a Raspberry Pi as that is enough compute power to out
run any thing more than 25 years old. Generally the communications side
required only limited computer support, the laster data reduction might
need much more.
One interesting things is with current SDR system that hams have
available they
can record the received signal spectra and then post process it off line
as needed.
this allows divorcing the receiving from decoding which can occur later.
Can hams do it? Most likely especially those hams that are classic comp
sorts.
The TX side is more a legal issue as one would need all the info about
how to
communicate then apply for a special permit NASA can help. The rest is
building
gear likely those vendors that built the original would help sponsor
the hams
involved.
The key is of there are enough mission connected people with enough will
to push it
forward and establish the team needed to get to the required stuff.
Allison/KB1GMX
> 1978 satellite returns to Earth orbit, still live
- but NASA no longer
> has transmitting/receiving equipment old enough to communicate with
> it.
>
> http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2014/02070836-isee-3.html
>
> There might be potential for a CCmper to save the day on this one! :?)
>
> --
> Liam Proven * Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile
> Email: lproven at cix.co.uk * GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven
> MSN: lproven at hotmail.com * Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven
> Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 * Cell: +44 7939-087884
>
>
11:15 a.m.
On Feb 8, 2014, at 10:40 AM, allison <ajp166 at verizon.net> wrote:
On 02/07/2014 08:51 PM, joe lobocki wrote:
Legally trivial in the USA; some other countries do restrict receiving.
If original code is in Fortran, that should be ok. If it?s in more obscure languages,
like Jovial, things get more complicated. Or assembly language for a strange machine.
But yes, emulation should be quite ok. Or new code to implement the decoding, so long as
the specs exist.
Nowadays, there are groups of scholars who build
their own sattelites and
launch them for fun, there are tinkerers, there are ham operators
everywhere still, and the internet, both for collaboration and distributed
communication via stations. We have advanced so far technologically that
wrangling the greatest minds in the US together to solve this problem, with
bragging rights alone as compensation, should be a piece of cake. I want to
see the nerds save the day here. But, in reality, I see the rule-makers
mumbling something about "Terrorism" under their breath and nothing
happening...
On Feb 7, 2014 5:06 PM, "Liam Proven" <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:
All that is needed for the Amateur radio folk so inclined is:
What Receive (RX) freq
What Transmit (TX) freq
What is the encoding scheme and protocol (command, and telemetry)
Stat-side antenna gains for TX and RX and MDS of receiver and TX power.
That is used to calculate path loss for expected RX signal and TX
power needed.
Receiving is legally trivial as no license is required. Once heard the
schema
for decoding the telemtry and data stream would e needed. Note original
Fortran or source code is fine as SIMH and a machine description can make
that go. Or likely a Raspberry Pi as that is enough compute power to out
run any thing more than 25 years old. Generally the communications side
required only limited computer support, the laster data reduction might
need much more.
One interesting things is with current SDR system that hams have
available they
can record the received signal spectra and then post process it off line
as needed.
this allows divorcing the receiving from decoding which can occur later.
Can hams do it? Most likely especially those hams that are classic comp
sorts.
Sure. Or amateur radio astronomy buffs ? I know one such. As you said, you need a
receiver (SDR or otherwise) for the right frequency, plus digital capture of the resulting
baseband signal and post-processing to extract its meaning.
The TX side is more a legal issue as one would need all the info about
how to
communicate then apply for a special permit NASA can help. The rest is
building
gear likely those vendors that built the original would help sponsor
the hams
involved.
The key is of there are enough mission connected people with enough will
to push it
forward and establish the team needed to get to the required stuff.
The biggest problem that I can see is the need for large (very high gain) antennas.
Depending on where in the sky that satellite can be found, the Arecibo dish is an obvious
candidate, and in fact it has on a few occasions been used in amateur radio settings.
Allison/KB1GMX
>> 1978 satellite returns to Earth orbit, still live - but NASA no longer
>> has transmitting/receiving equipment old enough to communicate with
>> it.
>>
>> http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2014/02070836-isee-3.html
>>
>> There might be potential for a CCmper to save the day on this one! :?)
It never ceases to amaze me when NASA says they can?t do something anymore that they used
to be able to do. There are horror stories of large stacks of magnetic tape that had to
be rescued from NASA because they didn?t know what to do with them and did not care ? but
non-government people could and did. The same sort of thing is at work here. How hard
would this be, if the agency were competent? Not very.
paul, ni1d
11:31 a.m.
its cause they are use to just ordering what they need from a catilog
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Paul Koning <paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
On Feb 8, 2014, at 10:40 AM, allison <ajp166 at verizon.net> wrote:
Legally trivial in the USA; some other countries do restrict receiving.
If original code is in Fortran, that should be ok. If it's in more
obscure languages, like Jovial, things get more complicated. Or assembly
language for a strange machine. But yes, emulation should be quite ok. Or
new code to implement the decoding, so long as the specs exist.
On 02/07/2014 08:51 PM, joe lobocki wrote:
> Nowadays, there are groups of scholars who build their own sattelites
and
> launch them for fun, there are tinkerers,
there are ham operators
> everywhere still, and the internet, both for collaboration and
distributed
> communication via stations. We have advanced
so far technologically that
> wrangling the greatest minds in the US together to solve this problem,
with
> bragging rights alone as compensation, should
be a piece of cake. I
want to
see the
nerds save the day here. But, in reality, I see the rule-makers
mumbling something about "Terrorism" under their breath and nothing
happening...
On Feb 7, 2014 5:06 PM, "Liam Proven" <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:
All that is needed for the Amateur radio folk so inclined is:
What Receive (RX) freq
What Transmit (TX) freq
What is the encoding scheme and protocol (command, and telemetry)
Stat-side antenna gains for TX and RX and MDS of receiver and TX power.
That is used to calculate path loss for expected RX signal and TX
power needed.
Receiving is legally trivial as no license is required. Once heard the
schema
for decoding the telemtry and data stream would e needed. Note original
Fortran or source code is fine as SIMH and a machine description can make
that go. Or likely a Raspberry Pi as that is enough compute power to out
run any thing more than 25 years old. Generally the communications side
required only limited computer support, the laster data reduction might
need much more.
One interesting things is with current SDR system that hams have
available they
can record the received signal spectra and then post process it off line
as needed.
this allows divorcing the receiving from decoding which can occur later.
Can hams do it? Most likely especially those hams that are classic comp
sorts.
Sure. Or amateur radio astronomy buffs -- I know one such. As you said,
you need a receiver (SDR or otherwise) for the right frequency, plus
digital capture of the resulting baseband signal and post-processing to
extract its meaning.
The TX side is more a legal issue as one would need all the info about
how to
communicate then apply for a special permit NASA can help. The rest is
building
gear likely those vendors that built the original would help sponsor
the hams
involved.
The key is of there are enough mission connected people with enough will
to push it
forward and establish the team needed to get to the required stuff.
The biggest problem that I can see is the need for large (very high gain)
antennas. Depending on where in the sky that satellite can be found, the
Arecibo dish is an obvious candidate, and in fact it has on a few occasions
been used in amateur radio settings.
Allison/KB1GMX
>> 1978 satellite returns to Earth orbit, still live - but NASA no longer
>> has transmitting/receiving equipment old enough to communicate with
>> it.
>>
>>
http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2014/02070836-isee-3.html
>>
>> There might be potential for a CCmper to save the day on this one! :?)
It never ceases to amaze me when NASA says they can't do something anymore
that they used to be able to do. There are horror stories of large stacks
of magnetic tape that had to be rescued from NASA because they didn't know
what to do with them and did not care -- but non-government people could and
did. The same sort of thing is at work here. How hard would this be, if
the agency were competent? Not very.
paul, ni1d
12:33 p.m.
It never ceases to amaze me when NASA says they
can't do something anymore that they used to be able to do.
In this case (and probably others), it has to do with limited
resources - which current experiment do you temporarily shut down to
make room for restarting an old one (and how do you deal with all the
screaming and politics that will certainly follow).
There are horror stories of large stacks of magnetic
tape that had to be rescued from NASA because they didn't know what to do with them
and did not care -- but non-government people could and did. The same sort of thing is at
work here. How hard would this be, if the agency were competent? Not very.
The mythical tapes. Yes, NASA has been a bit clueless about many of
these tapes - but they *can* be clueless about them. The data was
pulled off years ago and is quite safe and available (for example, go
ask the NASA Planetary Data Systems people). Often, the people that
complain about "lost data" on these tapes are actually looking for
data that the original experiment never intended to deal with, or in
some extreme cases, they want data that could be pulled off the
telemetry tapes. Yeah, those tapes are long gone.
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