Just to make this clear... I was not even trying to say in any way, shape, or form that microsoft products are "perfect" or the best or anything like that. I would find it hard to believe any app with more than oh 20 or so (arbitrary figure) lines of code can possibly be perfect... that's why stuff like Sun saying "oh there's x thousand bugs in Win 2K" kinda irritates me, because there are probably about that many in Solaris also. Or in any complex O/S for that matter. Heck, even IBM admitted that there were bugs in OS/390 recently, and that's a pretty staggering thing for IBM to admit that one of their mainframe operating systems has bugs... While I agree with people who say we deserve bug-free software, I am realistic enough to understand that bug-free software is a pretty impossible goal.. I'm happy if the vendor has the guts to admit when there are problems and then go and fix them... That's one of the things that DEC always had going for them, was that they were good at admitting problems and then fixing them. And there aren't any operating systems around without bugs.. Finally, the main reason I use microsoft products on my PC is that they support about every strange, random peripheral that I can pull out of some dusty cranny in the warehouse and the damn thing will actually WORK! This of course is also one of the reasons for a lot of the various problems that can occur, but I think if you're expecting total perfection on a PC, you're not being realistic. The very nature of windows, linux, and any other PC operating system works against reliability. What I mean is that the hardware and software are not could be. That's why VMS for example is much more robust than windows... DEC designed the hardware, built the hardware, then wrote the operating system to work as closely as possible with the hardware. And because they built + designed the hardware in-house, they naturally had a far better idea of how it all worked and how to make the operating system fully utilize the hardware. And finally, for the record, the reason I dislike MacOS is not because its unreliable, its just because I hate how difficult it makes it to unistall programs and to add drives for new hardware. And I know that I might just not know something important, but I did RTFM and read about everything on Apple's website, so please don't think I'm just Apple-bashing. Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com