10 Nov
2001
10 Nov
'01
8:03 a.m.
On November 10, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote:
The Eagles more so than the 8" drives. I've used a few of the 8"
drives on larger Suns but didn't have great luck. Good performance
though, especially on the Xylogics 7053 and 753 controllers.
The M2322K
and family are indeed standard 8" form factor drives.
They're not called "Eagles" though, as far as I'm aware.
Uuups.
Sorry. I thought that Eagle and Super Eagle where names for
product lines, not for two specific drives.
I really like those drives.
The (Super)
Eagle or the later 8" drives? In the case of the 8" drives
you are the first person that I hear talking nice words about that
drives. The most words I heared about the 8" drives are like: "Reformat
them at least once a year, or you will loose your data." I know. My first QBus disk system was a QD33 with two
9" D2363 drives
from NEC. Very impressive. The first time I simply puted one drive on
top of the BA123. When the drive begun to move its heads, the machine
(around 100kg with the drive!) begun to shake. A big smile run acros my
face when I noticed that. Not to forget that incredible sound! :-)
Oh yes! I used a few NEC D2352H drives. Those were sweet!
-Dave
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Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
10 Nov
10 Nov
8:54 a.m.
New subject: Parting out
This goes back to a conversation of a couple of weeks ago
concerning selling stuff as parts or whole or whatever. Currently on
eBay there is a seller that is parting out an Apple Lisa that was
fully functional up until a few days ago and the seller now has
disassembled it and has the individual parts listed for sale.
Granted, it's the seller's property and theirs to do with as they
please, but I don't see the reasoning behind parting out a fully
functional system. In the past, the only things I've parted out like
that, whether with cars or computers, are items that hold little
value due to being nonfunctional or otherwise damaged.
Jeff
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Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.cchaven.com
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
9:26 a.m.
New subject: Parting out
On Sat, 2001-11-10 at 17:54, Jeff Hellige wrote:
This goes back to a conversation of a couple of weeks
ago
concerning selling stuff as parts or whole or whatever. Currently on
eBay there is a seller that is parting out an Apple Lisa that was
fully functional up until a few days ago and the seller now has
disassembled it and has the individual parts listed for sale.
From the auction:
"It was tough deciding whether to sell the LISA whole or as parts,
because it does run. We sold our own machine as parts last year and were
pleased that so many different people bid on it, and that made up our
minds for us."
I just can't see any logic in breaking up a machine that's functional to
seel it off as parts. The unit as a whole would command a premium that
the seller won't get from selling body panels and the card cage by
itself for $5 a pop.
This is essentailly throwing a working machine into the dumpster.
Jeffrey H. Ingber (jhingber _at_ ix.netcom.com)
Granted, it's the seller's property and theirs
to do with as they
please, but I don't see the reasoning behind parting out a fully
functional system. In the past, the only things I've parted out like
that, whether with cars or computers, are items that hold little
value due to being nonfunctional or otherwise damaged.
Jeff
--
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.cchaven.com
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
1:58 p.m.
New subject: Parting out
I just can't see any logic in breaking up a machine
that's functional to
seel it off as parts. The unit as a whole would command a premium that
the seller won't get from selling body panels and the card cage by
itself for $5 a pop.
This is essentailly throwing a working machine into the dumpster.
The seller has gone so far as to pull the deflection coil and
flyback transformer from the tube, as well as seperating the cables
and other small items. I don't agree with the destruction of a
functional machine like this but I don't see how the seperate
listings could be justified from the fee versus income of each of the
smaller items.
Jeff
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Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.cchaven.com
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
3:47 p.m.
New subject: Parting out
I've found it much easier to dispose of parts than to get someone to take on yet
another machine. That's probably what's up here. It's amazing what one will
do
to avoid simply tossing the things.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Hellige" <jhellige(a)earthlink.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Parting out
I just
can't see any logic in breaking up a machine that's functional to
seel it off as parts. The unit as a whole would command a premium that
the seller won't get from selling body panels and the card cage by
itself for $5 a pop.
This is essentailly throwing a working machine into the dumpster.
The seller has gone so far as to pull the deflection coil and
flyback transformer from the tube, as well as seperating the cables
and other small items. I don't agree with the destruction of a
functional machine like this but I don't see how the seperate
listings could be justified from the fee versus income of each of the
smaller items.
Jeff
--
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.cchaven.com
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
3:11 p.m.
New subject: Parting out
One way to look at it is that if your choice is between selling one machine,
working or not, or tossing it in the dumpster, selling it might be the better
choice. Moreover, if the choice is to sell it as parts, it brings several
others the satisfaction of resurrecting their defunct machines, while selling
one whole machine only produces one working machine for one user.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey H. Ingber" <jhingber(a)ix.netcom.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Parting out
On Sat, 2001-11-10 at 17:54, Jeff Hellige wrote:
This goes back to a conversation of a couple of
weeks ago
concerning selling stuff as parts or whole or whatever. Currently on
eBay there is a seller that is parting out an Apple Lisa that was
fully functional up until a few days ago and the seller now has
disassembled it and has the individual parts listed for sale.
From the auction:
"It was tough deciding whether to sell the LISA whole or as parts,
because it does run. We sold our own machine as parts last year and were
pleased that so many different people bid on it, and that made up our
minds for us."
I just can't see any logic in breaking up a machine that's functional to
seel it off as parts. The unit as a whole would command a premium that
the seller won't get from selling body panels and the card cage by
itself for $5 a pop.
This is essentailly throwing a working machine into the dumpster.
Jeffrey H. Ingber (jhingber _at_ ix.netcom.com)
Granted, it's the seller's property and
theirs to do with as they
please, but I don't see the reasoning behind parting out a fully
functional system. In the past, the only things I've parted out like
that, whether with cars or computers, are items that hold little
value due to being nonfunctional or otherwise damaged.
Jeff
--
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.cchaven.com
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
5:36 p.m.
New subject: Parting out
This goes back to a conversation of a couple of weeks
ago
concerning selling stuff as parts or whole or whatever. Currently on
eBay there is a seller that is parting out an Apple Lisa that was
fully functional up until a few days ago and the seller now has
disassembled it and has the individual parts listed for sale.
Granted, it's the seller's property and theirs to do with as they
please, but I don't see the reasoning behind parting out a fully
functional system. In the past, the only things I've parted out like
that, whether with cars or computers, are items that hold little
value due to being nonfunctional or otherwise damaged.
In this case I would say ignorance, since a LISA has a fair value as a
system, but in a LOT of other stuff nobody wants to pay the cost of
shipping the whole thing, but people who need this or that part don't mind
as much. Sadly for a more mercenary operation just a few parts get offered
for sale and the rest of the computer gets tossed in bins of like parts
that are sold as scrap. A typical computer scrapper sells almost NOTHING
but the bulk stuff.
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