16 Jun
2000
16 Jun
'00
3:28 a.m.
Speaking of searches, I have been searching and
searching
for an Apple III motherboard. Mein ist kaput, I am afraid.
Anyone have a spare they would like to part with?
Louis-
Not meaning to be rude, but even when they work, an
Apple /// is kaput.
Are you aware of how buggy those things were? Did you
ever do any extensive programming for one?
Again, sorry, I truly mean no offense, but I grew to
loathe Apple for making this machine, and it's a wonder
that I was able to overcome that loathing and buy a Mac.
-doug quebbeman
16 Jun
16 Jun
12:14 p.m.
New subject: Apple III (was: Apple III motherboard)
Hi Doug,
Well, I haven't programmed on one, but I have worked with
them a fair amount, and don't entirely disagree with you.
I think the hardware is in general poorly designed, and the
SOS operating system is one of the worst ever. It is the
only one I know that doesn't let you change the current
drive, and requires a "loader program" in Drive 1 to run
programs on any other drive. Someone said in response to
your remarks they booted theirs from a ProFile; in
actuality, that is not possible, you have to boot from
Drive 1.
However, I have to add that an astonishing number remained
in service for very long periods of time, up until
recently, and after the initial problems were solved, they
were in fact quite reliable.
In an event, they are interesting none the less, and as you
can imagine I am not using mine to run a business. So, I
still would like the motherboard.
Louis
On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:28:05 -0400, Douglas Quebbeman
wrote:
Speaking of searches, I have been searching and
searching
for an Apple III motherboard. Mein ist kaput, I am afraid.
Anyone have a spare they would like to part with?
Louis-
Not meaning to be rude, but even when they work, an
Apple /// is kaput.
Are you aware of how buggy those things were? Did you
ever do any extensive programming for one?
Again, sorry, I truly mean no offense, but I grew to
loathe Apple for making this machine, and it's a wonder
that I was able to overcome that loathing and buy a Mac.
-doug quebbeman
12:24 p.m.
New subject: Apple III (was: Apple III motherboard)
Servus Louis,
Well, I haven't programmed on one, but I have
worked with
them a fair amount, and don't entirely disagree with you.
I think the hardware is in general poorly designed, and the
SOS operating system is one of the worst ever. It is the
only one I know that doesn't let you change the current
drive, and requires a "loader program" in Drive 1 to run
programs on any other drive. Someone said in response to
your remarks they booted theirs from a ProFile; in
actuality, that is not possible, you have to boot from
Drive 1.
I hope nobody will ever tell this to my A///,
he may stop to boot from the profile drive.
Could it be that there are different versions around ?
Gruss
H.
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5:10 p.m.
New subject: Apple III (was: Apple III motherboard)
On Fri, Jun 16, 2000 at 11:24:32PM +0200, Hans Franke wrote:
I hope nobody will ever tell this to my A///,
he may stop to boot from the profile drive.
Could it be that there are different versions around ?
Hmm, that actually sounds a bit familiar. I kind of think I vaguely remember
reading magazine articles in the early 80s about the /// being discontinued
and then re-introduced in "new & improved" form. But I wouldn't
know...
Was the /// the machine whose user manual suggested that you should drop the
entire computer on a desk from a height of several inches before powering it
on the first time, to give all the internal connectors a chance to chew
through the oxide? Wild...
John Wilson
D Bit
17 Jun
17 Jun
4:20 p.m.
New subject: Apple III (was: Apple III motherboard)
John Wilson wrote:
Hmm, that actually sounds a bit familiar. I kind of
think I vaguely remember
reading magazine articles in the early 80s about the /// being discontinued
and then re-introduced in "new & improved" form. But I wouldn't
know...
The Apple ///+. Very short product life.
Was the /// the machine whose user manual suggested
that you should drop the
entire computer on a desk from a height of several inches before powering it
on the first time, to give all the internal connectors a chance to chew
through the oxide? Wild...
Not in the user manual, but some people did it. The problem was that Apple
used bargain-basement DIP sockets on the early machines. In shipping the
chips would work loose. Back then there shouldn't yet have been too much
trouble with oxidation, but there certainly is now. The "correct" fix is
obviously to open it up and reseat the ICs.
Eric
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