What ever happened to "haggle" - is it still around and wasn't a member of the list the owner/operator of it? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Marvin > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:48 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Another Auction Site > > > > A new site has just opened up, http://www.sellyouritem.com. I've been > thinking for a while that it would be a good idea to have an auction site > for listmembers. This site > currently has little traffic, and would make a GREAT semi-private :) site > for listmembers to sell their stuff to mostly other listmembers. > One of our > members is currently listing some stuff on the computer:classic area at > http://www.sellyouritem.com/ListAuctions.html?CategoryID=1497.

Haggle.com is still around but pretty pitiful! I just took a look and 99% of the items seem to have ZERO bids and very few have more than 10 looks even. Even "hot" consumer stuff like laptops didn't seem to draw any lookers. Must be tough to try and take on eBay ...even if you offer free listings ... who cares if there are no bidders??? Craig Russ Blakeman wrote: > > What ever happened to "haggle" - is it still around and wasn't a member of > the list the owner/operator of it? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Marvin > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:48 PM > > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > Subject: Another Auction Site > > > > > > > > A new site has just opened up, http://www.sellyouritem.com. I've been > > thinking for a while that it would be a good idea to have an auction site > > for listmembers. This site > > currently has little traffic, and would make a GREAT semi-private :) site > > for listmembers to sell their stuff to mostly other listmembers. > > One of our > > members is currently listing some stuff on the computer:classic area at > > http://www.sellyouritem.com/ListAuctions.html?CategoryID=1497.

Another interesting idea would be to setup something that allows for equipment bartering. Each user could have a list of things they want to get rid of, and things they are looking to acquire. The details of how the exchange would proceed are still a bit fuzzy, but it'd be an interesting project for the ClassicCmp community.

On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Marvin wrote: Cool, but I'm just wondering why anyone in their right mind would attempt to compete with eBay at this point?

The frequent downtimes are a pain, but the biggest pain is that almost all the sellers use eBay because everyone uses eBay. Because of that, if you are looking for some odd part and nobody you can ask has the part, eBay is about your only option.

-----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Craig Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 2:21 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Another Auction Site It WOULD be a great historical database if they kept more than 30-60 days of data available! Somewhere they have a data warehouse full of great stuff but it's not available. Of course the pictures wouldn't be available for the past auctions but descriptions and prices realized would be a great resource. BIG database though ...what are they up to these days 124 million auctions or so??? Craig Sellam Ismail wrote: The one good Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ http://www.vintage.org

I fully agree!!!!! Going head to head against ebay is the height of stupidity at this point.

I can't think of any significant change to eBay's UI in the last few years.

I bought something (PS/2 model 70 with IEEE 488) back in 98 and then the SOB wanted to charge me $45 to ship it (said he had it in the auction post but it said nothing of a flat fee) so I wrote ebay and they bumped *me* - so I created a new account (2 actually) and started

all over and I looked later to find that the clown that was trying to rip me off was permanently barred (a month after I was) and had since gone to exclusively ripping people off thru Yahoo! auctions. I've never had a problem since other that a user named "polbit" tell me that a perfect machine I shipped was junk and wanted a refund/exchange. When I asked him the serial he never wrote back and

-----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Sellam Ismail Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:40 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Another Auction Site On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Marvin wrote: I've been following the stories (it seems that eBay is such an institution now that anything major they do becomes news worthy enough to be published in major newspapers). But at this point in time I can't imagine any circumstance by which eBay would lose it dominance. There would have to be a mass exodus of regular sellers to another service, and a major advertising campaign by a competing service, in order for eBay to lose the marketshare it currently enjoys. You have to realize that eBay got to where it is today because of two major factors. They were one of the first (if not the first) organized auction sites on the web, and more importantly, they advertised like mad. Once they went public and got the cash influx needed to accelerate advertising, the race was over. When people think of online auctions, they think "eBay". eBay is everywhere now. They have tie ins with at least one or two tv shows (I'm sure most people have seen the auctions advertised on The History Channel by now), they've bought some major "real world" auction houses, and they are even being quoted in comedy routines (you know you've arrived when you're mentioned in a David Letterman or Jay Leno monologue). Also, the sellers that are pissing and moaning about eBay's latest move with regards to the new software know full well that they aren't going to take their wares to another site and be as successful as they are on eBay. Another thing that eBay has that other auction sites don't is the buyers. Again, this goes back to advertising. When people get online to go look for used stuff, what's the first site they visit? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

To any CP/M 2.2 users with 8-inch SSSD floppy disks... I'm restoring an Imsai 8080, and at this point my hardware is working very well, but I need some assistance with the software. If any list member can help, I'm willing to trade classic hardware such as an HP 9830A desktop programmable (in basic!) calculator, a Symbolics 3645 Lisp Machine (with 2 monitors, and full doc set), a Solid State Music S-100 bus music synthisizer, DEC goodies, etc... Lets make a deal....without eBay..... All the hardware for trade is located in centeral MA, not too far from the site for VCF East! Who ever gets this deal, and helps get this Imsai up to the A:> prompt WILL be made happy. (and share in the satisfaction of saving this particular Imsai from the dust bin of history) My problem is this: I need a bootable 8-inch, SSSD CP/M 2.2 disk made with a BIOS for my hardware... I do have full documentation for all the hardware installed in my system. I have an Imsai 8080 with 40K of RAM, a Tarbell 1101-D floppy controller with 2 SA-800 drives, and a Solid State Music IO-4 board. There are some old CP/M 1.3 disks that came with the system, and they ~appear~ to boot, but I get no console I/O. Most of the disks claim to be for memory configurations larger than I currently have. I can disable the Tarbell boot code and enter small programs by hand, and I've verifed that the SSM IO-4 boards serial port is fully operational. Attempting to boot a 24K CP/M 1.3 disk ~looks~ like its working, the head loads and unloads several times, data gets loaded into memory by the boot loader code from the floppy, but no console I/O. Who knows what hardware config this disk expects, it appears to be a very early CP/M install for this Imsai, and its clearly been expanded several times since this disk was cut. I'd also LOVE to upgrade the many 2102 based Ram boards with any non-2102 based SRAM board. I do have 22 slots, but 4K and 8K boards just take up too much room. So, is anyone out there with 8-inch CM/M 2.2, and who is just dying for a Symbolics 3645? Just 'gottahave' an HP9830A (all key caps, unbroken plastic, etc) LED dot matrix calculator? (check one out on the HP calculator museum site, clearly collectable...) Drop me a line off the list, and lets make a deal!

I'm interested in the Symbolics Lisp Machine but don't have CP/M 2.2 to trade. Is there anything else you're looking for?

Well Ebay is starting to become a lot less friendly. For one you can't search for crap in the completed auctions, you can't figure out easily if some bidder id is a shill be getting their email address, and they are eliminating links (including your own images) in their listings (so you have to pay more to list your item if you have pictures)

>Hmm, I guess I haven't used eBay in a while. But I

>completed auctions. Are you talking about that fact

Ebay doesn't say anything, but all the completed

subject only, descriptions are not searched. This

of the year, and greatly reduces the value of

On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Marvin wrote: Cool, but I'm just wondering why anyone in their right mind would attempt to compete with eBay at this point? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

Being intimidated by the very thought of Ebay, I thought I would get my feet wet, so to speak, by offering some old Sun stuff on this recently mentioned web site. 5 days later I have had 3 hits on the one auction and no bids on either. Seemed like fun at the time, but I can see that my trepidation was not misplaced. It may be an acceptable medium for getting rid of those old baseball cards, but apparently not for real stuff.

With that, I turned a corner at last weekends fleamarket and found a 41CV, X Functions Pac, piggyback mag- strip reader/writer, ps, *many* strips, and a thermal printer for a buck. Is there an emerging religion in all this? Who cares...