6 Nov
2016
6 Nov
'16
7:09 p.m.
I've been making a debugging ROM board to test out the various
parts of the KIM-1. It is based on taking over the KIM at reset
and running test.
So far I've got two test working. One is a basic, is it running test
that just blinks a light on the debug board.
The next is a test of the first 1K of RAM.
A little tricky to do without RAM.
I expect to write some more for the RRIOT ics.
If anyone has interest, they can follow me on the Vintage
Computer Forum or contact me here.
The board has 3 ttl ICs, a 2764/27128 EPROM, a couple
LEDs and a dip switch. Also a few pullup resistors and capacitors.
Dwight
6 Nov
6 Nov
10:25 p.m.
I've been making a debugging ROM board to test out
the various
parts of the KIM-1. It is based on taking over the KIM at reset
and running test.
So far I've got two test working. One is a basic, is it running test
that just blinks a light on the debug board.
The next is a test of the first 1K of RAM.
A little tricky to do without RAM.
I expect to write some more for the RRIOT ics.
If anyone has interest, they can follow me on the Vintage
Computer Forum or contact me here.
The board has 3 ttl ICs, a 2764/27128 EPROM, a couple
LEDs and a dip switch. Also a few pullup resistors and capacitors.
Dwight
Dwight,
That is a pretty cool project. May I suggest you break it out on VCF into
its own thread so people can more easily follow what is going on? For those
interested in the original thread:
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?52155-KIM-1-No-Action/
-Ali
7 Nov
7 Nov
6:19 a.m.
I still need to post the final schematic. A new thread might be a good
idea.
I wanted to keep the board as simple as possible so one could just
wire wrap or point to point it.
It only has a 7474, 7402 and a 7404 as well as the EPROM.
It could easily be done with a GAL or PAL and the EPROM.
I think two schematics showing each would be best.
Dwight
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From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of Ali <cctalk at
ibm51xx.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 10:25:16 PM
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: KIM-1 Debugging tool
I've been making a debugging ROM board to test out
the various
parts of the KIM-1. It is based on taking over the KIM at reset
and running test.
So far I've got two test working. One is a basic, is it running test
that just blinks a light on the debug board.
The next is a test of the first 1K of RAM.
A little tricky to do without RAM.
I expect to write some more for the RRIOT ics.
If anyone has interest, they can follow me on the Vintage
Computer Forum or contact me here.
The board has 3 ttl ICs, a 2764/27128 EPROM, a couple
LEDs and a dip switch. Also a few pullup resistors and capacitors.
Dwight
Dwight,
That is a pretty cool project. May I suggest you break it out on VCF into
its own thread so people can more easily follow what is going on? For those
interested in the original thread:
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?52155-KIM-1-No-Action/
-Ali
13 Nov
13 Nov
7:52 a.m.
I've started a new thread.
See:
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?54850-Debugging-a-KIM-1-computer
I've created a simple debugging board that one can plug onto the KIM's expansion
buss that has debug code on it. It allows one to find out what is failing on the KIM so
they know what to replace.
While developing it, I found that my 6530-002 is bad. As we all know, these are custom
made and no longer available. There is a similar part, the 6532 that is similar, without
ROM.
It can be used with an adapter. I've reviewed both specifications and believe I've
figured out how to do it. Others have made them that are configured for the Gottlieb
pinball machines but they will not work for the KIM because the KIM selects are configured
differently.
I've begun making a hand wired adapter with a EEPROM. This will be in a stacked socket
under the 6532. I expect to use the debug board to program it in place.
After verifying that every thing works, I may create PC boards for the debug and 6532
adapter.
I know there are a number of dead KIM-1s out there.
I'm looking to see how many people would be interested in buying a set of boards?
I'm thinking in the range of $10 to $20 someplace, depending on volume. I expect to
have two small boards for each adapter and one for the debug board. I'll most likely
have them made as a set to save cost.
I can populate the adapter boards with the SOIC parts and leave the rest to the person
buying the boards.
Please let me know how many people would be interested??
Dwight
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Subject: Re: KIM-1 Debugging tool
I still need to post the final schematic. A new thread might be a good
idea.
I wanted to keep the board as simple as possible so one could just
wire wrap or point to point it.
It only has a 7474, 7402 and a 7404 as well as the EPROM.
It could easily be done with a GAL or PAL and the EPROM.
I think two schematics showing each would be best.
Dwight
________________________________
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of Ali <cctalk at
ibm51xx.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 10:25:16 PM
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: KIM-1 Debugging tool
I've been making a debugging ROM board to test out
the various
parts of the KIM-1. It is based on taking over the KIM at reset
and running test.
So far I've got two test working. One is a basic, is it running test
that just blinks a light on the debug board.
The next is a test of the first 1K of RAM.
A little tricky to do without RAM.
I expect to write some more for the RRIOT ics.
If anyone has interest, they can follow me on the Vintage
Computer Forum or contact me here.
The board has 3 ttl ICs, a 2764/27128 EPROM, a couple
LEDs and a dip switch. Also a few pullup resistors and capacitors.
Dwight
Dwight,
That is a pretty cool project. May I suggest you break it out on VCF into
its own thread so people can more easily follow what is going on? For those
interested in the original thread:
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?52155-KIM-1-No-Action/
KIM-1 No Action<http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?52155-KIM-1-No-Action/&…
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-Ali
8:10 a.m.
Count me in for one set of boards.
On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 10:52 AM, dwight <dkelvey at hotmail.com> wrote:
I've started a new thread.
See:
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?54850-Debugging-a-KIM-1-computer
I've created a simple debugging board that one can plug onto the KIM's
expansion buss that has debug code on it. It allows one to find out what is
failing on the KIM so they know what to replace.
While developing it, I found that my 6530-002 is bad. As we all know,
these are custom made and no longer available. There is a similar part, the
6532 that is similar, without ROM.
It can be used with an adapter. I've reviewed both specifications and
believe I've figured out how to do it. Others have made them that are
configured for the Gottlieb pinball machines but they will not work for the
KIM because the KIM selects are configured differently.
I've begun making a hand wired adapter with a EEPROM. This will be in a
stacked socket under the 6532. I expect to use the debug board to program
it in place.
After verifying that every thing works, I may create PC boards for the
debug and 6532 adapter.
I know there are a number of dead KIM-1s out there.
I'm looking to see how many people would be interested in buying a set of
boards? I'm thinking in the range of $10 to $20 someplace, depending on
volume. I expect to have two small boards for each adapter and one for the
debug board. I'll most likely have them made as a set to save cost.
I can populate the adapter boards with the SOIC parts and leave the rest
to the person buying the boards.
Please let me know how many people would be interested??
Dwight
Dwight
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forum/showthread.php?54850-Debugging-a-KIM-1-computer>
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From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of dwight <
dkelvey at hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 6:19:25 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: KIM-1 Debugging tool
I still need to post the final schematic. A new thread might be a good
idea.
I wanted to keep the board as simple as possible so one could just
wire wrap or point to point it.
It only has a 7474, 7402 and a 7404 as well as the EPROM.
It could easily be done with a GAL or PAL and the EPROM.
I think two schematics showing each would be best.
Dwight
________________________________
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of Ali <
cctalk at ibm51xx.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 10:25:16 PM
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: KIM-1 Debugging tool
I've been making a debugging ROM board to
test out the various
parts of the KIM-1. It is based on taking over the KIM at reset
and running test.
So far I've got two test working. One is a basic, is it running test
that just blinks a light on the debug board.
The next is a test of the first 1K of RAM.
A little tricky to do without RAM.
I expect to write some more for the RRIOT ics.
If anyone has interest, they can follow me on the Vintage
Computer Forum or contact me here.
The board has 3 ttl ICs, a 2764/27128 EPROM, a couple
LEDs and a dip switch. Also a few pullup resistors and capacitors.
Dwight
Dwight,
That is a pretty cool project. May I suggest you break it out on VCF into
its own thread so people can more easily follow what is going on? For those
interested in the original thread:
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?52155-KIM-1-No-Action/
KIM-1 No Action<http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?52155-
KIM-1-No-Action/>
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9:10 a.m.
On 13/11/2016 15:52, dwight wrote:
I've created a simple debugging board that one can
plug onto the
KIM's expansion buss that has debug code on it. It allows one to find
out what is failing on the KIM so they know what to replace.
While developing it, I found that my 6530-002 is bad. As we all know,
these are custom made and no longer available. There is a similar
part, the 6532 that is similar, without ROM.
After verifying that every thing works, I may create
PC boards for
the debug and 6532 adapter.
I'm looking to see how many people would be
interested in buying a
set of boards?
Count me in, please.
--
Pete
Pete Turnbull
10:07 a.m.
On 11/13/2016 12:10 PM, Pete Turnbull wrote:
On 13/11/2016 15:52, dwight wrote:
Add me to the list. It is possible to have the 6532 and a eprom as a
6530 emulator.
Allison
I've created a simple debugging board that
one can plug onto the
KIM's expansion buss that has debug code on it. It allows one to find
out what is failing on the KIM so they know what to replace.
While developing it, I found that my 6530-002 is bad. As we all know,
these are custom made and no longer available. There is a similar
part, the 6532 that is similar, without ROM.
After verifying that every thing works, I may
create PC boards for
the debug and 6532 adapter.
I'm looking to see how many people would be
interested in buying a
set of boards?
Count me in, please.
16 Nov
16 Nov
7:15 a.m.
Actually it'll use a EEPROM for the 6530 emulator. I've located
some small 28C64s. The advantage is that these can be programmed
with the debug board while on the KIM board. It should look good as
well because it will be tucked under the 6532. The registers are slightly
different on the 6530 and 6532 but they should work the same if one
ties the 6532s A4 a constant high. This looses half the 6532s 128 bytes
of RAM but the 6530 only had 64 bytes anyway so nothing really lost.
The only difference then is the interrupt. The 6532 has edge or level
interrupt but few people wire up the interrupt. It isn't clear but I believe
the 6530 is a level interrupt and that should be the reset level for the
6532.
I'm looking at board maker options.
Dwight
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From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of allison <ajp166 at
verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 10:07:36 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: KIM-1 Debugging tool
On 11/13/2016 12:10 PM, Pete Turnbull wrote:
On 13/11/2016 15:52, dwight wrote:
Add me to the list. It is possible to have the 6532 and a eprom as a
6530 emulator.
Allison
I've created a simple debugging board that
one can plug onto the
KIM's expansion buss that has debug code on it. It allows one to find
out what is failing on the KIM so they know what to replace.
While developing it, I found that my 6530-002 is bad. As we all know,
these are custom made and no longer available. There is a similar
part, the 6532 that is similar, without ROM.
After verifying that every thing works, I may
create PC boards for
the debug and 6532 adapter.
I'm looking to see how many people would be
interested in buying a
set of boards?
Count me in, please.
11:11 a.m.
Hi Santo Nucifora and Cameron Kaiser
Your email addresses have bounced.
Please send a private mail to me with a useful
email address.
Dwight
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From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of dwight <dkelvey at
hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:15:47 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: KIM-1 Debugging tool
Actually it'll use a EEPROM for the 6530 emulator. I've located
some small 28C64s. The advantage is that these can be programmed
with the debug board while on the KIM board. It should look good as
well because it will be tucked under the 6532. The registers are slightly
different on the 6530 and 6532 but they should work the same if one
ties the 6532s A4 a constant high. This looses half the 6532s 128 bytes
of RAM but the 6530 only had 64 bytes anyway so nothing really lost.
The only difference then is the interrupt. The 6532 has edge or level
interrupt but few people wire up the interrupt. It isn't clear but I believe
the 6530 is a level interrupt and that should be the reset level for the
6532.
I'm looking at board maker options.
Dwight
________________________________
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of allison <ajp166 at
verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 10:07:36 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: KIM-1 Debugging tool
On 11/13/2016 12:10 PM, Pete Turnbull wrote:
On 13/11/2016 15:52, dwight wrote:
Add me to the list. It is possible to have the 6532 and a eprom as a
6530 emulator.
Allison
I've created a simple debugging board that
one can plug onto the
KIM's expansion buss that has debug code on it. It allows one to find
out what is failing on the KIM so they know what to replace.
While developing it, I found that my 6530-002 is bad. As we all know,
these are custom made and no longer available. There is a similar
part, the 6532 that is similar, without ROM.
After verifying that every thing works, I may
create PC boards for
the debug and 6532 adapter.
I'm looking to see how many people would be
interested in buying a
set of boards?
Count me in, please.
13 Nov
13 Nov
10:12 a.m.
While developing it, I found that my 6530-002 is bad.
As we all know, these
are custom made and no longer available. There is a similar part, the 6532
that is similar, without ROM.
I've begun making a hand wired adapter with a EEPROM. This will be in a
stacked socket under the 6532. I expect to use the debug board to program it
in place.
After verifying that every thing works, I may create PC boards for the debug
and 6532 adapter.
I know there are a number of dead KIM-1s out there.
I'm looking to see how many people would be interested in buying a set of
boards? I'm thinking in the range of $10 to $20 someplace, depending on
volume.
I'd be interested, though I'd prefer something that was a drop-in replacement.
I'd be willing to pay additional for that.
--
------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com
-- I put the fun in funeral. --------------------------------------------------
10:14 a.m.
On 11/13/16 12:12 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Same here. I have a dead KIM because of a bad 6530.
While
developing it, I found that my 6530-002 is bad. As we all know, these
are custom made and no longer available. There is a similar part, the 6532
that is similar, without ROM.
I've begun making a hand wired adapter with a EEPROM. This will be in a
stacked socket under the 6532. I expect to use the debug board to program it
in place.
After verifying that every thing works, I may create PC boards for the debug
and 6532 adapter.
I know there are a number of dead KIM-1s out there.
I'm looking to see how many people would be interested in buying a set of
boards? I'm thinking in the range of $10 to $20 someplace, depending on
volume.
I'd be interested, though I'd prefer something that was a drop-in
replacement.
I'd be willing to pay additional for that.
11:55 a.m.
This will be about as close to drop in as one can get.
The adapter will hide under the 6532 with very little hanging
out the sides. Unlike the adapter for the Gottlieb pins.
It'll be about 1/3 taller other than originally.
I doubt you'll find any originals, other than on another KIM-1.
Dwight
________________________________
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of Cameron Kaiser
<spectre at floodgap.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 10:12:07 AM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: KIM-1 Debugging tool
While developing it, I found that my 6530-002 is bad.
As we all know, these
are custom made and no longer available. There is a similar part, the 6532
that is similar, without ROM.
I've begun making a hand wired adapter with a EEPROM. This will be in a
stacked socket under the 6532. I expect to use the debug board to program it
in place.
After verifying that every thing works, I may create PC boards for the debug
and 6532 adapter.
I know there are a number of dead KIM-1s out there.
I'm looking to see how many people would be interested in buying a set of
boards? I'm thinking in the range of $10 to $20 someplace, depending on
volume.
I'd be interested, though I'd prefer something that was a drop-in replacement.
I'd be willing to pay additional for that.
--
------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com<http://www.floodgap.com> *
ckaiser at floodgap.com
-- I put the fun in funeral. --------------------------------------------------
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