6 Apr
2019
6 Apr
'19
7:04 a.m.
The seller clearly has no idea, but the starting price is right !
https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?…
Jos
6 Apr
6 Apr
7:11 a.m.
Its a System/360 model 20 - and looking to be nice shape. Big bucks,
even if just a 20.
--
Will
On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 10:04 AM jos via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
The seller clearly has no idea, but the starting price is right !
https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?…
Jos
7:13 a.m.
And looking again, some of a System/370 pile (model 125)?
Bigger bucks.
--
Will
On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 10:11 AM William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> wrote:
Its a System/360 model 20 - and looking to be nice shape. Big bucks,
even if just a 20.
--
Will
On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 10:04 AM jos via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
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https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?…
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> Jos
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7:56 a.m.
wow hope it finds a home be real shame to see that get scraped
On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 9:14 AM William Donzelli via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
And looking again, some of a System/370 pile (model
125)?
Bigger bucks.
--
Will
On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 10:11 AM William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com>
wrote:
Its a System/360 model 20 - and looking to be nice shape. Big bucks,
even if just a 20.
--
Will
On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 10:04 AM jos via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
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https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?…
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> Jos
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10:58 a.m.
is it me or is it sitting on a riased floor
On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 12:45 PM Mark Linimon via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Sat, Apr 06, 2019 at 10:13:51AM -0400, William
Donzelli via cctalk
wrote:
And looking again, some of a System/370 pile
(model 125)?
I hope all of this equipment can be saved, even if only for display value.
mcl
12:03 p.m.
On 6 Apr 2019, at 18:58, Adrian Stoness via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
is it me or is it sitting on a riased floor
I thought that while at the same time marvelling what great condition it all seems to be
in, like they just turned everything off, locked the door and left for 40 years.
--
adrian/witchy
Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest private home computer collection?
t: @binarydinosaurs f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs
w: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk
12:06 p.m.
The description states the machines are in a house, and in possibly
bad condition.
Also, no shipping to the US.
--
Will
On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 3:02 PM Adrian Graham via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 6 Apr 2019, at 18:58, Adrian Stoness via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
is it me or is it sitting on a riased floor
I thought that while at the same time marvelling what great condition it all seems to be
in, like they just turned everything off, locked the door and left for 40 years.
--
adrian/witchy
Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest private home computer collection?
t: @binarydinosaurs f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs
w: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk
11:09 a.m.
Hopefully LCM can go after this to flesh out their peripherals
It looks like a nice set of disks and tapes, hopefully the 360-era
disk and tape channel controllers are there too
On 4/6/19 7:04 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
11:58 a.m.
Any appetite at the CHM?
Marc
On Apr 6, 2019, at 1:09 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Hopefully LCM can go after this to flesh out their peripherals
It looks like a nice set of disks and tapes, hopefully the 360-era
disk and tape channel controllers are there too
On 4/6/19 7:04 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?…
12:15 p.m.
On 4/6/19 2:58 PM, Curious Marc via cctalk wrote:
Any appetite at the CHM?
Marc
> On Apr 6, 2019, at 1:09 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
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> Hopefully LCM can go after this to flesh out their peripherals
> It looks like a nice set of disks and tapes, hopefully the 360-era
> disk and tape channel controllers are there too
>
>> On 4/6/19 7:04 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
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https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?…
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Maybe I'm seeing a different one, but isn't t his system in Nuremburg,
Germany? Do you have any idea of the cost to package and ship a 360
from there?
bill
2:36 p.m.
On 4/6/19 2:22 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
Does Germany harbor no gold bugs?
I have no idea what the recycling rules or industry is in Germany.
I'm guessing it's insanely strict.
The precious metal content of that little system isn't going to be
much. Maybe enough copper to make it worthwhile.
Also checked and the disc control is integral. The tapes are channel
attached.
12:53 p.m.
It all looks quite complete. Note sure about the 3xxx/5xxx stuff, maybe
it's lurking there somewhere. The listing does say there are 6 units 1m
x 1m, it's a bit confusing.
The Model 20 didn't need a DASD controller and could connect two 2311s
directly. Not sure if the resulting disks were compatible with
2841-based 2311s though.
It doesn't say whether it's possible to view the stuff, but I could make
a trip. Maybe our office would like something to go with the z/Series
beer fridge.
On 06/04/2019 19:09, Al Kossow via cctech wrote:
Hopefully LCM can go after this to flesh out their
peripherals
It looks like a nice set of disks and tapes, hopefully the 360-era
disk and tape channel controllers are there too
On 4/6/19 7:04 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
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https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?…
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--
Lawrence Wilkinson lawrence at ljw.me.uk
The IBM 360/30 page http://www.ljw.me.uk/ibm360
2:04 p.m.
On 4/6/19 11:09 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
Hopefully LCM can go after this to flesh out their
peripherals
It looks like a nice set of disks and tapes, hopefully the 360-era
disk and tape channel controllers are there too
On 4/6/19 7:04 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
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https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?…
Interesting--it really does belong in a museum--it's not something a
hobbyist would be able to usey; even if it was practical (or possible)
to get it running again. The 2020 was "sort of" a System/360, with
halfword registers and a simplified instruction set. (To do any real
arithmetic, you pretty much had to use the packed BCD instructions).
I recognize the 2560 Mother F* Card Mulcher, which brings up some
interesting memories.
--Chuck
6:01 p.m.
On 04/06/2019 01:09 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
Hopefully LCM can go after this to flesh out their
peripherals
It looks like a nice set of disks and tapes, hopefully the 360-era
disk and tape channel controllers are there too
Nope, not on a model 20. The 360/20 did not have channels,
it had specific I/O controllers built into the CPU backplane
for disk, tape, cards and printers, and an optional one-line
serial interface.
So, all peripherals plugged into their specific controller
in the /20, there were no external control units like a
2821, 2803, 2314, etc.
The 360/20 was a VERY limited machine, max of 32KB of
memory, but most had a LOT less.
There was RPG for it, but most were used for off-line
spooling of cards and printing, or RJE systems.
If there is a 370 there, possibly there could be control
units for that machine in the collection.
Jon
6:02 p.m.
On 04/06/2019 01:09 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
Hopefully LCM can go after this to flesh out their
peripherals
It looks like a nice set of disks and tapes, hopefully the 360-era
disk and tape channel controllers are there too
On 4/6/19 7:04 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
Oh, yeah, I did NOT recognize those dual tape drives with
horizontal vacuum columns.
Obviously real IBM, but I've never seen them before.
Jon
6:14 p.m.
someones bid on them eh hopefully not a scraper
On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 8:03 PM Jon Elson via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On 04/06/2019 01:09 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
Oh, yeah, I did NOT recognize those dual
tape drives with
horizontal vacuum columns.
Obviously real IBM, but I've never seen them before.
Jon
Hopefully LCM can go after this to flesh out
their peripherals
It looks like a nice set of disks and tapes, hopefully the 360-era
disk and tape channel controllers are there too
On 4/6/19 7:04 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
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https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?…
7 Apr
7 Apr
4:07 p.m.
wow! ...Hopefully some larger museums or seriously envolved hobbyists within Germany can
take care of this piece of history to save this nice piece of computer history.
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Pierre's collection of classic computers moved to: http://www.digitalheritage.de
Am Samstag, 6. April 2019, 16:04:26 MESZ hat jos via cctalk <cctalk at
classiccmp.org> Folgendes geschrieben:
The seller clearly has no idea, but the starting price is right !
https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?…
Jos
8 Apr
8 Apr
2:52 a.m.
On Sun, 7 Apr 2019, P Gebhardt wrote:
wow! ...Hopefully some larger museums or seriously
envolved hobbyists
within Germany can take care of this piece of history to save this nice
piece of computer history.
Hm, let's see if our museum can get that system - as long as the price
stays reasonable. It's not too far from Stuttgart and we could pick
it up in Nuremberg (or possibly in Herzogenaurach).
Christian
7:02 a.m.
yay good luck
On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 4:53 AM Christian Corti via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Sun, 7 Apr 2019, P Gebhardt wrote:
wow! ...Hopefully some larger museums or
seriously envolved hobbyists
within Germany can take care of this piece of history to save this nice
piece of computer history.
Hm, let's see if our museum can get that system - as long as the price
stays reasonable. It's not too far from Stuttgart and we could pick
it up in Nuremberg (or possibly in Herzogenaurach).
Christian
15 Apr
15 Apr
6:09 p.m.
you guys bidding on it then?
On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 4:53 AM Christian Corti via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Sun, 7 Apr 2019, P Gebhardt wrote:
wow! ...Hopefully some larger museums or
seriously envolved hobbyists
within Germany can take care of this piece of history to save this nice
piece of computer history.
Hm, let's see if our museum can get that system - as long as the price
stays reasonable. It's not too far from Stuttgart and we could pick
it up in Nuremberg (or possibly in Herzogenaurach).
Christian
16 Apr
16 Apr
1:05 a.m.
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019, it was written
you guys bidding on it then?
Yes, but only up to a certain limit.
Christian
On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 4:53 AM Christian Corti via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Sun, 7 Apr 2019, P Gebhardt wrote:
wow! ...Hopefully some larger museums or
seriously envolved hobbyists
within Germany can take care of this piece of history to save this nice
piece of computer history.
Hm, let's see if our museum can get that system - as long as the price
stays reasonable. It's not too far from Stuttgart and we could pick
it up in Nuremberg (or possibly in Herzogenaurach).
Christian
3:51 a.m.
On Tue, 16 Apr 2019, Christian Corti wrote:
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019, it was written
3710 Euro... someone with definitely too much money for a system in
unknown condition and local pickup only. So no, we did not get the system,
and it probably won't go into a museum.
Christian
you guys bidding on it then?
Yes, but only up to a certain limit. 
8 Apr
8 Apr
4:10 p.m.
FWIW the tape drive is an IBM 2315 announced April 16, 1965
<https://www.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/dpd50/dpd50_chronology3.html> for use on
low end S/360s. Here is a brochure
<http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/IBM-ProdAnn/2415.pdf> as well as manuals at
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/2415/
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: P Gebhardt [mailto:p.gebhardt at ymail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 4:08 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....
wow! ...Hopefully some larger museums or seriously envolved hobbyists within Germany can
take care of this piece of history to save this nice piece of computer history.
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Pierre's collection of classic computers moved to:
<http://www.digitalheritage.de> http://www.digitalheritage.de
Am Samstag, 6. April 2019, 16:04:26 MESZ hat jos via cctalk < <mailto:cctalk at
classiccmp.org> cctalk at classiccmp.org> Folgendes geschrieben:
The seller clearly has no idea, but the starting price is right !
<https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?hash=item2f2eb142d4:g:izoAAOSwhV1cpw>
https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?…
Jos
6:40 p.m.
On 04/08/2019 06:10 PM, Tom Gardner via cctalk wrote:
FWIW the tape drive is an IBM 2315 announced April 16,
1965 <https://www.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/dpd50/dpd50_chronology3.html> for
use on low end S/360s. Here is a brochure
<http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/IBM-ProdAnn/2415.pdf> as well as manuals at
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/2415/
So, is that a capstan and pinch roller drive? I'd kind of
guess so, if announced in 1965.
(for future readers, 2315 is apparently a typo, 2415 would
fit in with 24xx models being tape drives, 23xx was for disks.)
Jon
9 Apr
9 Apr
6:30 a.m.
On Apr 8, 2019, at 9:40 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 04/08/2019 06:10 PM, Tom Gardner via cctalk wrote:
I don't think other companies followed that strange design approach even back then,
though. Never mind the pinch roller part; I could never understand why IBM would build
vacuum columns with the oxide facing out, sliding against the vacuum column side walls.
FWIW the tape drive is an IBM 2315 announced
April 16, 1965
<https://www.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/dpd50/dpd50_chronology3.html> for use on
low end S/360s. Here is a brochure
<http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/IBM-ProdAnn/2415.pdf> as well as manuals at
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/2415/
So, is that a capstan and pinch roller drive? I'd kind of guess so, if
announced in 1965. (for future readers, 2315 is apparently a typo, 2415
would fit in with 24xx models being tape drives, 23xx was for disks.)
Yes, 2315 is the RK05 lookalike found in the 360 model 44.
paul
19 May
19 May
11:57 p.m.
On 06.04.19 16:04, jos via cctalk wrote:
The seller clearly has no idea, but the starting price is right !
https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?…
Jos
And so the story continues....
https://ibms360.co.uk/
20 May
20 May
10:24 p.m.
Fantastic. It fell into the right hands.
Marc
And so the story continues....
https://ibms360.co.uk/
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