17 Feb
2003
17 Feb
'03
6:50 p.m.
If your 486 is a DX, if you have 64Mb RAM, and if you had 20Mb of disk space
to spare (minimum requirements for W98, excepting W98SE), you can load W98
in its "lite" or laptop version from bootable disks. W95's another matter
though -- You'd need a copy of DOS 5.0 or better up and running to load it.
Either way, you'll also need to remember your formatting and partitioning:
98/85 run on FAT16, and are limited to 2GB partitions (98SE allows FAT32,
and can hand 4TB partitions). Is/are your drive(s) compatible?
Cheers!
Ed
San Antonio, TX USA
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Subject: Gateway 2000 Handbook 486 question
I have a Gateway 2000 Handbook 486. Does any one know if Windows 95/98
will
load on it?
TIA.
Douglas Wood
Software Engineer
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17 Feb
17 Feb
7:12 p.m.
Tillman, Edward wrote:
If your 486 is a DX, if you have 64Mb RAM, and if you
had 20Mb of disk space
to spare (minimum requirements for W98, excepting W98SE), you can load W98
in its "lite" or laptop version from bootable disks.
I think I used 40megs on my smallest install, and that is with 98lite, a
program that allows a bare bones install on Win98.
W95's another matter
though -- You'd need a copy of DOS 5.0 or better up and running to load it.
Do you mean Win3.1x? You don't need Dos for Win95.
Either way, you'll also need to remember your
formatting and partitioning:
98/85 run on FAT16, and are limited to 2GB partitions (98SE allows FAT32,
and can hand 4TB partitions). Is/are your drive(s) compatible?
Your mixing thing up here. Win95 OSr1 was fat16 only. Win95 OSr2.x was
fat16 or fat32. Win98 is fat16 or fat32. I'm not sure what's different
in the SE edition of Win98, but it certainly isn't its fat32 capabilities.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
18 Feb
18 Feb
11:46 a.m.
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Chad Fernandez wrote:
Your mixing thing up here. Win95 OSr1 was fat16 only.
Win95 OSr2.x was
fat16 or fat32. Win98 is fat16 or fat32. I'm not sure what's different
in the SE edition of Win98, but it certainly isn't its fat32 capabilities.
It's certainly not hard to get mixed up. MICROS~1 certainly didn't put
much effort into making it easy to keep track of the differences. (How
many people outside of these lists will know the order of 98, ME, NT4,
2000, XP?)
The first version of 95 wasn't called anything other than "Windows 95".
The SECOND version of 95 was called "OSR1"! It was only differentiable,
when looking at the disc, by noticing that it bragged about having USB
support, and that it said to not make illegal copies (prior to that,
MICROS~1 had considered a CD-ROM to be enough of a barrier by itself as to
not need such an admonition.
6:57 p.m.
Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
The first version of 95 wasn't called anything
other than "Windows 95".
The SECOND version of 95 was called "OSR1"!
I thought OSr1 was the first version. I've only ever heard of OSr1, 2,
and 2.5. I didn't think USB support was included until 2.5
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
19 Feb
19 Feb
11:21 a.m.
At 00:49 19/02/2003 -0500, Chad Fernandez wrote:
Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
There were at least four versions of Win95, characterised by the version
number on an installed system having nothing, or an A, B, or C after
it. Each added more features and more system requirements. There were
also various OEM-customised options, not to mention the foreign language,
upgrade, and floppy-disc versions!
I've got W95 (original version) installed quite happily on 486-sx machines
with ~4Mb RAM and <200Mb hard discs, do a custom install and de-select
almost everything, then go back in after and delete most of the rest too! I
(used to) use those just as terminal-server clients.
As an aside (and probably OT) I got given a dropped Celeron laptop
yesterday; lid hinges smashed (fixable if not pretty) and dead IDE
interface, but it'll boot off floppy/cd. Next project (when I have time)
is to work out how to make a boot-cd that'll unzip windows into RAMdisc, or
rather, how to create and zip up a windows that'll already be set up for a
machine I don't have another example of.. maybe I'll just network-boot it..
Rob
The first version of 95 wasn't called anything
other than "Windows 95".
The SECOND version of 95 was called "OSR1"!
I thought OSr1 was the first version. I've only ever heard of OSr1, 2,
and 2.5. I didn't think USB support was included until 2.5
18 Feb
18 Feb
6:52 a.m.
On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Tillman, Edward wrote:
If your 486 is a DX, if you have 64Mb RAM, and if you
had 20Mb of disk space
16M (and we have done it
with 8M)
to spare (minimum requirements for W98, excepting
W98SE), you can load W98
You can run full Win98, INCLUDING SE, with 16M.
You do NOT need 64M!!!
in its "lite" or laptop version from
bootable disks. W95's another matter
ANY version, not "lite", not
"laptop".
though -- You'd need a copy of DOS 5.0 or better
up and running to load it.
NO. You need ANY DOS prompt that permits access to the CD-ROM (>= 3.10),
and can do it with a floppy boot from MS-DOS 7.00 or 7.10 (which you get
by doing a FORMAT A: /S of a floppy in a Windoze 95/98 machine)
Either way, you'll also need to remember your
formatting and partitioning:
98/85 run on FAT16, and are limited to 2GB partitions (98SE allows FAT32,
^^
"85"??
and can hand 4TB partitions). Is/are your drive(s)
compatible?
ALMOST.
FAT16 will run anything from 3.31 through ANY version of Windoze that can
be squeezed into 2G of disk space.
FAT32 started with Win95 OSR1. OSR1 was only available as an OEM version.
You can INSTALL to a FAT16 partition (95, 98), and then let Windoze
"convert" it to FAT32. Normally successfully, and hardly ever does a
total destruction of the drive/file contents. But it is ONE WAY.
MICROS~1 provides NO way to convert it back.
If you have >32M? RAM and a FAT16 partition, you could install NT4, (which
will gladly convert (ONE WAY) from FAT16 to NTFS.
4:49 p.m.
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"Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" wrote:
You can INSTALL to a FAT16 partition (95, 98), and
then let Windoze
"convert" it to FAT32. Normally successfully, and hardly ever does a
total destruction of the drive/file contents. But it is ONE WAY.
MICROS~1 provides NO way to convert it back.
Don't know if you've ever tried Partition Magic from PowerQuest,
but I would consider it an essential utility when working with
HDs. It will repartition on-the-fly and convert partitions
*both* ways FAT16<-->FAT32 and FAT32<-->NTFS, although you
lose the extended attributes when converting to FAT from
NTFS.
I used it to repartition a PC at work that was installed as 3
2GB FAT16 partitions on a 6GB HD. With all the dross that most
programs install, the first partition ran out of room real fast.
Later,
Frank
5:27 p.m.
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Frank Schickel wrote:
Don't know if you've ever tried Partition
Magic from PowerQuest,
but I would consider it an essential utility when working with
HDs. It will repartition on-the-fly and convert partitions
*both* ways FAT16<-->FAT32 and FAT32<-->NTFS, although you
lose the extended attributes when converting to FAT from
NTFS.
I bought it specificaly to change an <2G NTFS partition from NTFS to
FAT16, in order to convert an NT4 machine into NT4/Win98 dual bootable.
It said that it was doing it, but never did. I tried rather a lot of
variations, such as resizing first, etc. but it never worked.
OTOH, I have used it quite happily for resizing partitions on several
machines.
6:05 p.m.
"Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" wrote:
I bought it specificaly to change an <2G NTFS partition from NTFS to
FAT16, in order to convert an NT4 machine into NT4/Win98 dual bootable.
It said that it was doing it, but never did. I tried rather a lot of
variations, such as resizing first, etc. but it never worked.
OTOH, I have used it quite happily for resizing partitions on several
machines.
That's interesing....I wonder what caused that. I've only resized
partitions so I didn't use it that much. I had the opposite happen
when I was converting my drive: I tried the W98 "Drive Converter",
but all it did was say it had to boot to DOS to convert to FAT32,
and then hang after rebooting.
Later,
Frank
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