My UMatic experience is really limited to just Panasonic and Sony units (dating from mid-late 70's thru my newest Sony is maybe 10 years old now). But interestingly... I was wrong... I HAVE seen the "UHF" connector for composite. I had completely forgotten about the old closed circuit video system I pulled out when I started working at my current job. They had 3 black and white security cameras that used that connector. I know they were composite video, because I remember using an RCA adaptor, and connecting one to a VCR's video line in shortly after pulling them out of service. So yeah... I have actually seen that setup, I had just forgotten about it, as it might have been the only place I have seen that (but also, 90% of my AV experience is from mid 80's to mid-late 90's, so most of what I was exposed to is the "current standards" connectors). That's why I disclaimed that I wasn't saying it didn't exist... just that I hadn't seen it (I have also learned in A/V, if there is a connector out there, odds are, someone, at sometime, used it in their setup) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>