16 Jun
2012
16 Jun
'12
3:43 p.m.
just send me your address. Jim Butterfield. Sent or tossed by Monday.
17 Jun
17 Jun
8:28 p.m.
Dude, I apologize, but someone got to it first. I will be able to provide a scan of the
book (which is an excellent assembly language tutorial) w/my digital camera.
________________________________
From: Randy Kindig <randall.kindig at gmail.com>
To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only <cctech at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: utterly free Machine Language for the Commie 64, 128,...
Randall Kindig
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Thanks!
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 16, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Chris Tofu <rampaginggreenhulk at yahoo.com> wrote:
just send me your address. Jim Butterfield. Sent or tossed by Monday.
18 Jun
18 Jun
12:37 a.m.
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Chris Tofu
<rampaginggreenhulk at yahoo.com> wrote:
Dude, I apologize, but someone got to it first. I will
be able to provide a scan of the book (which is an excellent assembly language tutorial)
w/my digital camera.
Probably can be found here:
http://www.bombjack.org/commodore/books.htm#MACHINE_LANGUAGE_and_ASSEMBLY_L…
8:39 a.m.
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, Chris Tofu wrote:
Dude, I apologize, but someone got to it first. I will
be able to
provide a scan of the book (which is an excellent assembly language
tutorial) w/my digital camera.
No need:
http://www.bombjack.org/commodore/books/pdf/Machine_Language_for_the_Commod…
(and stop top posting)
g.
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3:25 p.m.
(and stop top posting)
g.
C: Kindly stop telling me how to post. Some replies are sent from my stupid/smart phone.
It gives me the option of whether to include the op or not. Not where to place the
text...
?It's a free country after all
3:49 p.m.
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Chris Tofu wrote:
(and stop top posting)
g.
C: Kindly stop telling me how to post. Some replies are sent from my
stupid/smart phone. It gives me the option of whether to include the op
or not. Not where to place the text...
?It's a free country after all
Hey, it's not my fault you use devices that are unsuited to the task
you're asking them to perform.
How do you know it's a free country? I could be from outer Quebecistan
where they send out intercontinental meerkats with bombs strapped to them
in order to violently discourage top posting.
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Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
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[Cipher in a.s.r]
5:37 p.m.
From: Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com>
Hey, it's not my fault you use devices that are unsuited to the task you're asking
them to perform.
C: It is your fault when you proceed to complain like a big fat whiney baby. That part is
your fault.
??? And it's all about your opinion. Please stop wasting bandwidth. I'll post how
I see fit (or how my phone does).
How do you know it's a free country?? I could be from outer Quebecistan where they
send out intercontinental meerkats with bombs strapped to them in order to violently
discourage top posting.
C: And that part is your problem also. Besides "they" performing acts of
breathless animal cruelty.
??? Why piss and moan over nothing. Just deal w/it, or don't read my posts. You do
have that option.
4:39 p.m.
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Chris Tofu wrote:
From: Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com>
Hey, it's not my fault you use devices that are unsuited to the task
you're asking them to perform.
C: It is your fault when you proceed to complain like a big fat whiney
baby. That part is your fault.
*snickers* That's just too awesome for words. You going to wag your
naughty bits at me now? Oh, I know! "I know you are, but what am I!?!?!"
*rofl*
??? And it's all about your opinion. Please stop
wasting bandwidth. I'll
post how I see fit (or how my phone does).
Hey, if you want to look your posts to look like the Ongoing Adventures of
Word Salad Man, be my guest.
How do you know it's a free country?? I could be
from outer Quebecistan
where they send out intercontinental meerkats with bombs strapped to
them in order to violently discourage top posting.
C: And that part is your problem also. Besides "they" performing acts of
breathless animal cruelty.
Oh I don't know, those meerkats can be pretty extreme at times, wanting to
start their own Meerkat Caliphate and all. If you think a badger is mean,
try a meerkat with 10lbs of ANFO strapped to his back. "Pissed off"
doesn't describe the fury in that little box, let me tell you.
??? Why piss and moan over nothing. Just deal w/it, or
don't read my
posts. You do have that option.
Ignoring stupid is _always_ optional, unless of course you've got some
spare time and a big paddle to stir the kettle of crazy with. Then it's
all pitchforks and popcorn. :)
g.
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Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
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[Cipher in a.s.r]
5:53 p.m.
How do you know it's a free country? I could be
from outer
Quebecistan where they send out intercontinental meerkats with bombs
strapped to them in order to violently discourage top posting.
I think you're confusing places here. When Outer Quebecistan sends out
the intercontinental meerkats, it's usually against people who post in
langues autre que le joual.
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7:08 p.m.
> How do you know it's a free country? I could
be from outer
> Quebecistan where they send out intercontinental meerkats with bombs
> strapped to them in order to violently discourage top posting.
On Mon, 18 Jun
2012, Mouse wrote:
I think you're confusing places here. When Outer
Quebecistan sends out
the intercontinental meerkats, it's usually against people who post in
langues autre que le joual.
oui
But ANYBODY with their own F15 collection that threatens aerial
bombardment can get away with such misteaks.
19 Jun
19 Jun
7:50 a.m.
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Fred Cisin wrote:
Meerkats are strictly ground strike elements Fred. :)
g.
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A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck.
[Cipher in a.s.r]
> How do you
know it's a free country? I could be from outer
> Quebecistan where they send out intercontinental meerkats with bombs
> strapped to them in order to violently discourage top posting.
On Mon, 18 Jun
2012, Mouse wrote:
I think you're confusing places here. When
Outer Quebecistan sends out
the intercontinental meerkats, it's usually against people who post in
langues autre que le joual.
oui
But ANYBODY with their own F15 collection that threatens aerial
bombardment can get away with such misteaks.
12:44 p.m.
>>> How do you know it's a free country?
I could be from outer
>>> Quebecistan where they send out intercontinental meerkats with bombs
>>> strapped to them in order to violently discourage top posting.
> But ANYBODY with their own F15 collection that threatens aerial
> bombardment can get away with such misteaks.
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Gene Buckle
wrote:
Meerkats are strictly ground strike elements Fred. :)
Sorry. My time of potential military service would have been during
Viet Nam, and General Hershey was moronically clueless about random
number generation, so I never got basic military training.
Does the Geneva Convention say anything about dropping Dells with
Windoze from high altitude?
11:52 a.m.
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Fred Cisin wrote:
Not sure. Search for "combat fenestration systems". :)
g.
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Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck.
[Cipher in a.s.r]
>>>
How do you know it's a free country? I could be from outer
>>> Quebecistan where they send out intercontinental meerkats with bombs
>>> strapped to them in order to violently discourage top posting.
> But ANYBODY with their own F15 collection that threatens aerial
> bombardment can get away with such misteaks.
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Gene Buckle
wrote:
Meerkats are strictly ground strike elements
Fred. :)
Sorry. My time of potential military service would have been during
Viet Nam, and General Hershey was moronically clueless about random
number generation, so I never got basic military training.
Does the Geneva Convention say anything about dropping Dells with
Windoze from high altitude?
4:28 p.m.
From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com>
Does the Geneva Convention say anything about dropping Dells with
Windoze from high altitude?
C: Doubtful, but likely the EPA will. But just don't hit a meerkat, or I'LL have
something to say about it!!!
3:08 p.m.
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Chris Tofu wrote:
From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com>
Does the Geneva Convention say anything about dropping Dells with
Windoze from high altitude?
C:\DERP Doubtful, but likely the EPA will. But just don't hit a meerkat,
or I'LL have something to say about it!!!
It figures that you'd be a jihadi meerkat sympathizer.
g.
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck.
[Cipher in a.s.r]
21 Jun
21 Jun
11:34 p.m.
________________________________
From: Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com>
It figures that you'd be a jihadi meerkat sympathizer.
?C: not sympathetic to anyone who straps bombs to their sorry arses. But meerkats I am
definitely sympathetic to. They're God's creatures as much as you and I are. And I
have heard on very good authority that all meerkats top post w/regularity. Nyeh.
18 Jun
18 Jun
8:11 p.m.
On 6/18/12 2:53 PM, "Mouse" <mouse at rodents-montreal.org> wrote:
> How do you know it's a free country? I could
be from outer
> Quebecistan where they send out intercontinental meerkats with bombs
> strapped to them in order to violently discourage top posting.
Oh ye gods and little fishes, not THIS rant again. MID-posting -- Ian
I think you're confusing places here. When Outer Quebecistan sends out
the intercontinental meerkats, it's usually against people who post in
langues autre que le joual.
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19 Jun
19 Jun
7:52 a.m.
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Ian King wrote:
On 6/18/12 2:53 PM, "Mouse" <mouse at
rodents-montreal.org> wrote:
Since you've gotten a Letter of Writ from the International Mid-Posting
Commission, you're ok. :)
g.
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck.
[Cipher in a.s.r]
> How do you know it's a free country? I
could be from outer
> Quebecistan where they send out intercontinental meerkats with bombs
> strapped to them in order to violently discourage top posting.
Oh ye gods and little fishes, not THIS rant again. MID-posting -- Ian
7:45 a.m.
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Mouse wrote:
The witty response generator has experienced a language parser crash.
One moment pl!@#NO CARRIER
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Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck.
[Cipher in a.s.r]
How do you
know it's a free country? I could be from outer
Quebecistan where they send out intercontinental meerkats with bombs
strapped to them in order to violently discourage top posting.
I think you're confusing places here. When Outer Quebecistan sends out
the intercontinental meerkats, it's usually against people who post in
langues autre que le joual.
18 Jun
18 Jun
5:15 p.m.
(and stop top posting)
C: Kindly stop telling me how to post. Some replies
are sent from my
stupid/smart phone. It gives me the option of whether to include the
op or not. Not where to place the text...
You don't have to use it. I certainly wouldn't put up with a mail
client that badly broken.
?It's a free country after all
This is a mailing list, not a country. As such, it is basically a
dictatorship, with our listadmin(s) as dictator(s). (Benevolent
dictator(s), both in the case of this list and, in my experience, other
lists in general, but still. Substantially less evil than
physical-world dictatorships in that it is far easier for us, the
populace, to leave if we don't like it, which is one of the major
things that keeps the dictatorship benevolent.)
Subject to that, you may of course continue to top-post (and no-trim,
which seems to go with top-posting) if you like. But we (FWVO "we")
are equally free to ignore, either mechanically or manually, your mail
in response. I certainly know that when I see a top-posted (and,
usually, untrimmed) message, it has to be significantly more
interesting to get me to read it and/or respond to it, relative to one
that uses conventional quoting, trims quotes for relevance, etc.
The same is true of various other offenses against readbility -
paragraph-length lines, misspellings, grammatical errors,
unconventional quoting styles, etc: they raise the level of
interestingness, to coin a word, required to get me to read and/or
respond to a message.
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5:40 p.m.
________________________________
From: Mouse <mouse at rodents-montreal.org>
You don't have to use it.? I certainly wouldn't put up with a mail
client that badly broken.
C: And yet one more big fat whiney baby. Who else would like to whine a bit?
?It's a free country after all
This is a mailing list, not a country.? As such, it is basically a
dictatorship, with our listadmin(s) as dictator(s).? (Benevolent
dictator(s), both in the case of this list and, in my experience, other
lists in general, but still.? Substantially less evil than
physical-world dictatorships in that it is far easier for us, the
populace, to leave if we don't like it, which is one of the major
things that keeps the dictatorship benevolent.)
C: All dictatorships and Canada are evil.
??? Funny Jay has never chided me for the way I post. The format anyway...
Subject to that, you may of course continue to top-post (and no-trim,
which seems to go with top-posting) if you like.? But we (FWVO "we")
are equally free to ignore, either mechanically or manually, your mail
in response.? I certainly know that when I see a top-posted (and,
usually, untrimmed) message, it has to be significantly more
interesting to get me to read it and/or respond to it, relative to one
that uses conventional quoting, trims quotes for relevance, etc.
C: Please! Don't read them. Then I won't have to read much less reply to your
whining!
The same is true of various other offenses against readbility -
paragraph-length lines, misspellings, grammatical errors,
unconventional quoting styles, etc: they raise the level of
interestingness, to coin a word, required to get me to read and/or
respond to a message.
C: It's all just whiney nursery school drama to me.
19 Jun
19 Jun
3:51 p.m.
(and stop top posting
C: Kindly stop telling me how to post
OK, post as you like, provided the lsit owner doesn't object. But I (and
ohters) reserve the right to ignore people who go against the accepted
copnventions of this list.
Some replies are sent from my stupid/smart phone. It
gives me the option=
of whether to include the op or not. Not where to place the text...
It's a free country after all=0A
Actually it isn't. A country, I mean. This is a privately-run mailing
list and the moderatior(s) can descide what is, and is not, acceptable
here. Your freedom is to start another mailing list covering the same
subjects whith your conventions.
I am all in favour of free speech, but that doesn't maen I can shout out
whatever I like wherever I like. There is nothing wrong with me saying
that I disagree with some aspects of Christianity (say). There is
everything wrong if I disrupt a church service my barging in and rating
aobut such things.
-tony
5:29 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tony Duell
Sent: 19 June 2012 20:52
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: utterly free Machine Language for the Commie 64, 128,...
Its great that many folks can now pick up the list whenever and whereever on
their smartphones. However its really sad how limited in some areas these
are. The new ones are much better but whilst I can download an app to show
me the GPS status, connect my laptop to the internet, play videos from
youtube, and scan QR codes and jump to the links, I don't even have the
option to change the view zoom in the mail reader on my no old-fashioned
Some Experia X8 with Android 2.1. So if you insist on ignoring things that
we can't change then you may well miss some interesting, but wrongly trimmed
e-mails.
Dave Wade G4UGM
Illegitimi Non Carborundum
(and stop top posting
C: Kindly stop telling me how to post
OK, post as you like, provided the lsit owner doesn't object.
But I (and
ohters) reserve the right to ignore people who go against the
accepted
copnventions of this list.
6:53 p.m.
Nothing wrong with top posting, saves trawling through (particularly in
longer threads) stuff you've already read multiple times.
I generally delete long posts that constantly re-quote the multitude of
conversations that have gone before merely to have a one short line comment
buried in them somewhere.
Top posting has pretty much been the norm since at least the mid 90s and
there's only a small vocal majority who tend to object to it these days.
I've used multiple styles since I first went online back in 1982 - it's
called change.
Lance
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012 7:30 AM
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: utterly free Machine Language for the Commie 64, 128,...
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tony Duell
Sent: 19 June 2012 20:52
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: utterly free Machine Language for the Commie 64, 128,...
(and stop top posting
C: Kindly stop telling me how to post
OK, post as you like, provided the lsit owner doesn't object.
But I (and
ohters) reserve the right to ignore people who go against the accepted
copnventions of this list.
9:36 p.m.
Top posting has pretty much been the norm since at
least the mid 90s
amongst troglodytes using Microsoft Outlook
;)
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20 Jun
7:25 a.m.
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Bingo. :)
g.
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A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
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Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck.
[Cipher in a.s.r]
Top posting
has pretty much been the norm since at least the mid 90s
amongst troglodytes using Microsoft Outlook
19 Jun
19 Jun
10:26 p.m.
Nothing wrong with top posting, saves trawling through
(particularly
in longer threads) stuff you've already read multiple times.
That can be addressed (better IMO) by proper trimming of quoted
material.
As for "nothing wrong", I disagree. It significantly disrupts
readability for me. Perhaps I'm just old-fashioned, but I find it
easier to read linearly rather than bouncing back and forth between
quoted text and reply text with no particular indication of which reply
piece goes with which quote piece.
Top posting has pretty much been the norm since at
least the mid 90s
Not here. Nor anywhere else I hang out.
Nor, given the arrogance and rudeness it exhibits, anywhere I'd want to
hang out.
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20 Jun
4:28 p.m.
Nothing wrong with top posting, saves trawling through (particularly in
longer threads) stuff you've already read multiple times.
That is an argument in vavour of triming messages (which I fully agree
with -- please remembver some people are using dial-up lines and it does
cost more to download more data).
[...]
Top posting has pretty much been the norm since at
least the mid 90s and
there's only a small vocal majority who tend to object to it these days.
I've used multiple styles since I first went online back in 1982 - it's
called change.
Before I (and other sensible people) change something, I think whether
the new device/system/convetion offers benefits over what came before. If
it does, then I use it. If it deosn't then I stick with waht I've been using.
Perhaps you should consider why 'inserted posting' was used in the first
place. With paper mail, in general you couldn't copy blocks of text from
the letter you were ansering, so you would write soemthing like 'In you
letter dated <date> you asked fro the pinouts of the <foo>. As far as I
can tell they are....'
But when you can quote and insert text, it makes sense IMHO to post the
reply after the bit you are commenting on. Which do you find easier to
understnad ?
"You asked what bulbs go in an HP9810 card reder, they are 5V, 60mA, T1
flange ones. You also asked what to use for the drive belt, I've found a
size 231 O-ring works fine
I am repairing an HP9810, and am working on the card
reader. One of
of the senor lamps has burnt out, what do I replace it by?
Also, the drive belt is slipping is it possible to get a new one? "
OR
" > I am repairing an HP9810, and am working on the card reader. One of
of the senor lamps has burnt out, what do I replace it
by?
It's a 5V, 60mA T1 flange bulb.
Also, the drive belt is slipping is it possible to get a new one? "
A size 231 O ring works fine "
If you can provide a reasonable jsutitification why top-posting is
better, I will consider it.
-tony
19 Jun
19 Jun
10:37 p.m.
[...smartphones...]. However its really sad how
limited in some
areas these are. The new ones are much better but whilst I can
download an app to [...], I don't even have the option to change the
view zoom in the mail reader on my no old-fashioned Some Experia X8
with Android 2.1.
Some supposedly-smart phones have amazingly dumb MUAs, it's true. But
this is of only minor relevance, because...
So if you insist on ignoring things that we can't
change then you may
well miss some interesting, but wrongly trimmed e-mails.
...saying you "can't change" them is, at the very least, somewhat
disingenuous. You can't change *them*, maybe, but you can change the
style of your interaction with the list. You are the one choosing, by
your choice of software proxy, to manifest those qualities in your
posts.
Top-posting no-trimmers might have something interesting to say, it's
true. But the assorted costs involved (meaning everything from the
additional time it takes to convert them into something understandable
to the costs of encouraging, by cooperating with, arrogant rudeness)
generally make it not worth the time and effort to figure out whether
there is anything interesting there, and, if so, what.
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20 Jun
20 Jun
4:09 p.m.
OK, post as
you like, provided the list owner doesn't object.
But I (and
others) reserve the right to ignore people who go against the
accepted
conventions of this list.
Its great that many folks can now pick up the list whenever and whereever on
their smartphones. However its really sad how limited in some areas these Some Experia X8 with Android 2.1. So if you insist on
ignoring things that
we can't change then you may well miss some interesting, but wrongly trimmed
e-mails.
Ah, you sligthly misunderstood me. If I can read something, I will do so.
If it provids me with useful information, I will make use of it. But if
it#'s asking for information and goes against the conventions, then I am
not going to bother to tke the time to untagle it and then provide the
information.
-tony
6:36 p.m.
New subject: Smartphones was RE: utterly free Machine Language for the Commie 64, 128, ...
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tony Duell
Sent: 20 June 2012 21:09
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: utterly free Machine Language for the Commie 64, 128,...
limited in
Quite so, but most folks don't want to write software they want something
that works just enough so they can do what they want to do. They don't ask
"is there a choice of apps" just "is there an app". Even worse is
the
removal of programming interfaces from web browsers, so on a desktop PC I
can happily order an iPhone or iPad from Tesco (think UK equivalent of
Wallmart) on their web site. If I want to order anything on an iPhone I
can't I need the Tesco "app". Yuk
Note unlike the Apple iPhones and Tablets my Xperia has a setting that I can
press to allow me to install my own software. Its not "rooted" which means
it has to be nice well behaved software but you can install things you have
written youself. The development kit also seems to be freely available.
OK, post
as you like, provided the list owner doesn't object.
But I (and
others) reserve the right to ignore people who go against the
accepted
conventions of this list.
Its great that many folks can now pick up the list whenever and
whereever on their smartphones. However its really sad how some areas these
Actually, I can't understand why anyone would choose to use a
computational device where they can't run the software they want,
including software they've wrirten themselves. But anyway..
[...]
What does "untagle" mean? I thought I was the only one whose brain went
faster then their fingers...
.. or is it something you have to do with paper tape to get it to spool...
Some Experia X8 with Android 2.1. So if you
insist on
ignoring things
that we can't change then you may well miss
some interesting, but
wrongly trimmed e-mails.
Ah, you sligthly misunderstood me. If I can read something, I
will do so.
If it provids me with useful information, I will make use of
it. But if
it#'s asking for information and goes against the
conventions, then I am
not going to bother to tke the time to untagle it and then provide the
information.
-tony
21 Jun
21 Jun
1:35 p.m.
New subject: Smartphones was RE: utterly free Machine Language for the Commie 64,
Actually, I
can't understand why anyone would choose to use a
computational device where they can't run the software they want,
including software they've writen themselves. But anyway..
Quite so, but most folks don't want to write software they want something
that works just enough so they can do what they want to do. They don't ask "is there a choice of apps" just "is
there an app". Even worse is the
removal of programming interfaces from web browsers, so on a desktop PC I
can happily order an iPhone or iPad from Tesco (think UK equivalent of
Wallmart) on their web site. If I want to order anything on an iPhone I
can't I need the Tesco "app". Yuk
I ahve laernt over the years that anything described as 'smart' is
designed for users who are 'fumb' and that therefore it won't be
hacker-friendly (OK I am perhaps goign a bit far, but only a bit). I ahbe
also conculded that 'digital' emans 'inferior' (not the Digital Equipment
Corporation, of course :-)).
it#'s
asking for information and goes against the
conventions, then I am
not going to bother to tke the time to untagle it and then
What does "untagle" mean? I thought I was the only one whose brain went faster then their fingers...
Err, no. Particularly not when I've had a hard day...
.. or is it something you have to do with paper tape
to get it to spool...
No. It's soemthing you have to do with paper tape if you haven't spooled
it up as you read it. It's also something you have to do with cables that
you've left sitting in a box. There are topological theorems about tying
knots, but cables seem to defy them :-)
-tony
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