7 Apr
2016
7 Apr
'16
5:32 a.m.
The problem with lifetime warranties is that they're not about the
lifetime of the owner, and they're not about the lifetime of the
product. What it means is "as long as it's a product we're still
selling" (except for those cases where it *really* is the lifetime of
the product.. in which case it means "the warranty is valid until the
product fails").
7 Apr
7 Apr
7:56 a.m.
not sure if anyone mentioned this point yet, but I have found that the
drives destroy good disks a sizable percentage of the time. Keeping the
heads clean and testing a drive before use with an important vintage disk
is key to the longevity of the disk. I also always make a backup copy of
most every disk I use, and leave the original in a safe temp-consistent
place.
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1:12 p.m.
On 04/07/2016 04:56 AM, william degnan wrote:
not sure if anyone mentioned this point yet, but I
have found that the
drives destroy good disks a sizable percentage of the time. Keeping the
heads clean and testing a drive before use with an important vintage disk
is key to the longevity of the disk. I also always make a backup copy of
most every disk I use, and leave the original in a safe temp-consistent
place.
I'll go one step further and state that if you hear your drive
squealing, throw the disk away and clean the heads before you insert
another disk. Otherwise, the problem can spread like measles.
--Chuck
7:32 p.m.
On 04/07/2016 12:12 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
I'll go one step further and state that if you
hear your drive
squealing, throw the disk away and clean the heads before you insert
another disk.
If you even get the opportunity. I remember a disk - it was either Parrot
or Wabash, I loathe them in equal measure as they seem particularly prone
to binder problems - once squeaking in a drive, immediately followed by a
crunch as one of the drive heads parted company with the surrounding
structure. The heads had only just been cleaned, so all it took was the
single read attempt to destroy the drive.
Thankfully it's only happened to me the once, but it was annoying as it was
in a vintage machine with dual drives, which means at some point I need to
find a matching replacement (or replace the junk + good drive with a
matched pair)
cheers
Jules
10:01 a.m.
On Thu, 7 Apr 2016, Tor Arntsen wrote:
The problem with lifetime warranties is that
they're not about the
lifetime of the owner, and they're not about the lifetime of the
product. What it means is "as long as it's a product we're still
selling"
Well, that's an interesting observation, and actually I find it
reasonable even -- after all how can a supplier replace their product they
don't have anymore? I wish it was more clearly stated though, and then of
course respected in all cases.
Maciej
1:11 p.m.
On 04/07/2016 02:32 AM, Tor Arntsen wrote:
The problem with lifetime warranties is that
they're not about the
lifetime of the owner, and they're not about the lifetime of the
product. What it means is "as long as it's a product we're still
selling" (except for those cases where it *really* is the lifetime
of the product.. in which case it means "the warranty is valid until
the product fails").
Sometimes, very rarely, it does happen the other way. The guys at the
local auto parts store tell me about the woman who comes in about every
5 years to have her car battery replaced, free of charge, since she
bought into a promotional deal for replacement batteries "for as long as
you own your car". IIRC, she owns a 1984 Volvo.
Magazines used to offer "lifetime subscriptions", but I haven't seen
those lately.
I'm a life member of a couple of professional organizations, but I don't
know if they even exist any longer.
My water heater supposedly has a guarantee for replacement for as long
as I own my home. I haven't had to claim a replacement yet.
--Chuck
2:35 p.m.
On 4/7/2016 11:11 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 04/07/2016 02:32 AM, Tor Arntsen wrote:
Radio Shack seems to have dropped the Free Batteries too.
I think they would have made more $$ with a New Phone of the Month
Club. Ben.
PS: You can still get tubes, just more $$$.
The problem with lifetime warranties is that
they're not about the
lifetime of the owner, and they're not about the lifetime of the
product. What it means is "as long as it's a product we're still
selling" (except for those cases where it *really* is the lifetime
of the product.. in which case it means "the warranty is valid until
the product fails").
Sometimes, very rarely, it does happen the other way. The guys at the
local auto parts store tell me about the woman who comes in about every
5 years to have her car battery replaced, free of charge, since she
bought into a promotional deal for replacement batteries "for as long as
you own your car". IIRC, she owns a 1984 Volvo.
7:36 p.m.
On 04/07/2016 12:11 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
My water heater supposedly has a guarantee for
replacement for as long
as I own my home. I haven't had to claim a replacement yet.
I wonder if that also covers parts - e.g. elements and thermostats - or if
they try and weasel out of it and only allow a claim when something which
really does require outright replacement happens?
7:39 p.m.
You probably can't get the water heater replacement until the old COMPLETELY fails,
which means it leaks and floods your house.
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Subject: Re: Why do good floppy disks go bad?
On 04/07/2016 02:32 AM, Tor Arntsen wrote:
The problem with lifetime warranties is that
they're not about the
lifetime of the owner, and they're not about the lifetime of the
product. What it means is "as long as it's a product we're still
selling" (except for those cases where it *really* is the lifetime
of the product.. in which case it means "the warranty is valid until
the product fails").
Sometimes, very rarely, it does happen the other way. The guys at the
local auto parts store tell me about the woman who comes in about every
5 years to have her car battery replaced, free of charge, since she
bought into a promotional deal for replacement batteries "for as long as
you own your car". IIRC, she owns a 1984 Volvo.
Magazines used to offer "lifetime subscriptions", but I haven't seen
those lately.
I'm a life member of a couple of professional organizations, but I don't
know if they even exist any longer.
My water heater supposedly has a guarantee for replacement for as long
as I own my home. I haven't had to claim a replacement yet.
--Chuck
8:28 p.m.
On 04/07/2016 04:41 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 4/7/16 10:11 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: as a guarantee for replacement
for as long
No anode rod. The tank is polybutylene.
I suspect that the heating element isn't part of the deal and that if it
goes, it's on my nickel.
--Chuck
as I own my home. I haven't had to claim a
replacement yet.
How often do you change the anode rod?
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