7 Aug
1998
7 Aug
'98
2:14 p.m.
I got the SE to go. Now, I need to get the SCSI harddisk I have
to work for it. It has a (limited) version of System 6.0.8, and I have
a 200 meg SCSI external I plan on using.
How do I get the Mac to initialize the SCSI disk? (I can worry about
System 7 later...)
Also, it has an 800k disk... Is there any way to cheat and make a PC produce
these? Or will the Mac take 720k disks too?
(I can make a Mac-formatted 720k disk with hfstools... But I can't format
the SCSI disk with it - no SCSI controller in the PC.)
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7 Aug
7 Aug
10:01 p.m.
I got the SE to go. Now, I need to get the SCSI
harddisk I have
to work for it. It has a (limited) version of System 6.0.8, and I have
a 200 meg SCSI external I plan on using.
How do I get the Mac to initialize the SCSI disk? (I can worry about
System 7 later...)
This is a problem. I'm assuming that the 200Mb HD is not out of a Mac, and
as such does not have the Mac Firmware. If this is the case, your cheapest
alternative is to get a Hard Drive that does. You can get software that
will let you work with non-Macified HD's, but it's not worth it in this
case (i.e. the software costs more than a used HD would).
You can get System 7.0.1 off of one of the Apple FTP sites.
Also, it has an 800k disk... Is there any way to cheat
and make a PC produce
these? Or will the Mac take 720k disks too?
(I can make a Mac-formatted 720k disk with hfstools... But I can't format
the SCSI disk with it - no SCSI controller in the PC.)
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I've heard of software that will let you do this, but haven't tried any of
it. I have used 720k floppies in a Mac, but they were formatted on an
Amiga, using a Macintosh emulator (I was really surprised they worked).
Is 'hfstools' a Linux package? I seem to remember hearing of something
like that for Linux. Even if you could format the SCSI HD with it, I don't
think it would work, as you need certain software partitions on the Hard
Drive.
Zane
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7:23 p.m.
On 7 Aug 98 at 19:01, Zane H. Healy wrote:
All non-Mac HDDs have this problem. Apple wanted to monopolize
their market. It's been a while since I struggled with my Mac+ but
there are several programs IIRC that you can use to format your HDD
so the Mac will accept it. I'm not sure but check out the Silverlining page
they have a free or shareware Lite program. There is likely something as
well in the classicmac archives http://www.zws.com/classicmacs/
Just format the ddds disks on the Mac. DOS adds stuff which brings
it down
to 720k . I've also heard you can format them on the Atari ST (10 sectors vs
9 on DOS ? ) but I've never tried it yet.
I got the SE to
go. Now, I need to get the SCSI harddisk I have
to work for it. It has a (limited) version of System 6.0.8, and I have
a 200 meg SCSI external I plan on using.
How do I get the Mac to initialize the SCSI disk? (I can worry about
System 7 later...)
This is a problem. I'm assuming that the 200Mb HD is not out of a Mac, and
as such does not have the Mac Firmware. If this is the case, your cheapest
alternative is to get a Hard Drive that does. You can get software that
will let you work with non-Macified HD's, but it's not worth it in this
case (i.e. the software costs more than a used HD would). You can get System 7.0.1 off of one of the Apple FTP
sites.
There's some debate that 6.0.8 is faster on the earlier Macs than System 7.
Also, it has an
800k disk... Is there any way to cheat and make a PC produce
these? Or will the Mac take 720k disks too?
(I can make a Mac-formatted 720k disk with hfstools... But I can't format
the SCSI disk with it - no SCSI controller in the PC.)
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I've heard of software that will let you do this,
but haven't tried any of
it. I have used 720k floppies in a Mac, but they were formatted on an
Amiga, using a Macintosh emulator (I was really surprised they worked).
Is 'hfstools' a Linux package? I seem to remember hearing of something
like that for Linux. Even if you could format the SCSI HD with it, I don't
think it would work, as you need certain software partitions on the Hard
Drive.
Zane
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator |
| healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast |
| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |
lwalker(a)interlog.com
8 Aug
8 Aug
9:59 a.m.
[Format floppies with Macintosh]
And then they become 800k disks, which a PC can't read.
[HDD setup stuff costs more than drive is worth.]
This is another thing I hate, when companies use software checks to enforce
hardware monopolies. That's SOOOO stupid. Any hardware could do, but the
O/S makes sure it's a Genuine XXYZ-Corp. device and barfs if it's not.
Guess I just get to deal with the internal HDD...
(I think it's 20 meg, but it makes scary noises...)
Buying new gear for this is out of the question.
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9:51 a.m.
hfstools is a Unix trick. It will compile under most normal *nixes.
(Or it's supposed to...)
I think I can make a 720k HFS disk.
Let me go dig one out and I'll see...
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