17 Jul
2001
17 Jul
'01
4:58 p.m.
I don't have a network card, but if all goes well
a GVP
Spectrum graphics card is going into it. BTW, 3.9 includes a bunch
of AVI's and a few MP3's on the CD to test the various media players
with, as well as an audio track. I'm not planning on upgrading any
of the other custom chips unless I find I have to, such as the Buster.
There are MP3 players for 68k Amiga's?!?! That's either rather gutsy, or
pathetic, I'm not sure which. What do they do, decode them to another
format and then play them?
Mine's going underneathe my NEC monitor and
sharing it with
the G3. This little Multisync C400 has certainly seen it's share of
various computers since I bought it in '96!
The monitors I've got would probably crush a A3000! I might be able to put
it in the wooden rack next to the desk, but the PDP-8/m sits where it would
need to go, and I'm going to need to find more room in the rack for a
PDP-8/e and Papertape reader/punch.
OTOH, I might be able to stuff it under the A2002 Monitor I've got hooked up
to a dead VCR (I use the combo for a TV in the computer room.
I'm going to use mine as a backup system as well
as one to
handle those times when I just feel the urge ot use an Amiga. The
fact that it doesn't depend on anything MS is nice too. You could
also use it as a Linux box too. It'd be cool to fix the kernel panic
on mine when booting into Linux, but that's a low priority. I think
I saw some of the distro files still on the hard disk when I was
moving stuff around on the Amiga partition.
Don't need a backup system, and I've no desire to run Linux on anything but
a fast x86 box. So I'm still trying to come up with a use for it. That was
one of the reasons I bought it a Catweasel, however, the board didn't
function as advertised thanks to the lack of software for it. Of course the
Catweasel board is also why it's sitting in a monster ALR Server Tower at
the moment!
Zane
18 Jul
18 Jul
12:40 a.m.
There are MP3 players for 68k Amiga's?!?!
That's either rather gutsy, or
pathetic, I'm not sure which. What do they do, decode them to another
format and then play them?
I forget the name of it, but even when I had my A4000 a few
years ago there was an MP3 player for it. It played ok on the stock
'040. A quick search of Aminet turned up a bunch of encoders, as
well as this player:
http://us.aminet.net/pub/aminet/mus/play/TMLG.readme
The program I liked was the MIDI player I was using.
Totally software based for the samples, like the old Gravis
Ultrasound used to do. At the time it was pretty cool. Of course, I
had a decent selection of MODs too.
Jeff
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3:46 a.m.
Zane H. Healy wrote:
There are MP3 players for 68k Amiga's?!?!
That's either rather gutsy, or
pathetic, I'm not sure which. What do they do, decode them to another
format and then play them?
My first exposure to MP3 was using an Amiga! They play fine on a 040, though
you have to decrease the quality a bit. The minimum spec for Amiga MP3
players is usually a 030, though I heard one being played on an A1200 020
(full, not EC). It was recognisable, but not something I would enjoy to hear
on a regular basis.
On a related note, I notice that FreeGEM - the open source version of x86
GEM - has gained a MP3 and MIDI player. I'm planning to install it on the
486/33Mhz 4Mb machine I was given. At the moment it makes a brilliant DOS
game
machine - Elite Plus, Xmas Lemmings, and various card games have been
installed on the hard disk. I'm installing an old 20+ disk set of MS
Office as I type this.
--
Gareth Knight
Amiga Interactive Guide http://amiga.emugaming.com
Home of the Amiga magazine guide, Complete Amiga prototype/official/clone
list, and more!
5:13 a.m.
I forgot to mention that the other thing I changed was in the SCSI
prefs. The machine had 'Synchronous Transfer' mode checked. I unchecked it
it seems much more stable after that as well.
Jeff
6:53 p.m.
Jeff Hellige skrev:
I forgot to mention that the other thing I changed
was in the SCSI
prefs. The machine had 'Synchronous Transfer' mode checked. I unchecked it
it seems much more stable after that as well.
Doesn't synchronous mode allow higher transfer rates, though?
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19 Jul
19 Jul
1:37 p.m.
Jeff Hellige skrev:
I hooked a NEC CD-ROM up to it today and had to turn
synchronous mode back on in order to get it to play with the CD-ROM.
Stability went back out the window though, but not as bad as before.
I'm going to remove the Seagate drive from it and put one of my
Quantum Fireball's into it. I've always had excellent compatibility
between Amiga's and the Quantum drives. Since there's nothing but a
fresh OS 3.9 load on the drive, it won't be any big deal swapping
them. No prefs or anything like that to worry about moving.
Jeff
--
Collector of Classic Microcomputers and Video Game Systems:
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
I forgot to mention that the other thing I
changed was in the SCSI
prefs. The machine had 'Synchronous Transfer' mode checked. I unchecked it
it seems much more stable after that as well.
Doesn't synchronous mode allow
higher transfer rates, though?
18 Jul
18 Jul
6:52 p.m.
Gareth Knight skrev:
Zane H. Healy wrote:
> There are MP3 players for 68k Amiga's?!?! That's either rather gutsy, or
> pathetic, I'm not sure which. What do they do, decode them to another
> format and then play them?
My first exposure to MP3 was using an Amiga! They play
fine on a 040, though
you have to decrease the quality a bit. The minimum spec for Amiga MP3
players is usually a 030, though I heard one being played on an A1200 020
(full, not EC). It was recognisable, but not something I would enjoy to hear
on a regular basis.
I've still got cassette tapes I produced on my '020@28MHz A1200. I'd download
the MP3s one at a time, since I had a cramped 80 MB HD, then reboot without
running the Startup-sequence, so as to save as much memory as possible, then
use all the memory for buffering and press REC on the tape recorder when the
memory was filled. =)
On a related note, I notice that FreeGEM - the open
source version of x86
GEM - has gained a MP3 and MIDI player. I'm planning to install it on the
486/33Mhz 4Mb machine I was given. At the moment it makes a brilliant DOS
game
Where might it be downloaded?
machine - Elite Plus, Xmas Lemmings, and various card
games have been
installed on the hard disk. I'm installing an old 20+ disk set of MS
Office as I type this.
Have you tried Frontier? I can't get that bloody game to install on any PC.
The Amiga version was just a matter of drag-and-drop.
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?berhaupt nur aus N?ten.
--- Ludwig van Beethoven
20 Jul
20 Jul
11:11 a.m.
Iggy Drougge wrote:
Where might it be downloaded?
I downloaded a copy of Owen's FreeGEM Distribution v1.2
http://www.owenrudge.co.uk/GEM/
The above web site also contains an MP3 player (486 and above)
Try http://www.freegem.org.uk/
http://www.freegem.org.uk/archives/distribs/freegem/
http://www.geocities.com/heinz_rath/
http://www.uni-ulm.de/~s_thuth/pcgem/
Seal is another interesting DOS 32-bit GUI
http://seal.drdos.org/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/sealsystem/
Have you tried Frontier? I can't get that bloody
game to install on any
PC.
The Amiga version was just a matter of drag-and-drop.
I tried it a few months ago. I can't remember having any problems with it.
I'll give it another go.
Zane Healy wrote:
The Catweasel board (at least when I bought mine had
the software to read
Amiga, PC, C-64, and maybe Macintosh floppies. It was advertised as being
able to read a lot more different formats. The problem is, it doesn't (or
at least didn't) have any software to do that.
I noticed that a software solution has appeared that may solve some of the
current disk problems using the standard PC disk controller.
http://fast.emuunlim.com/disk2fdi/
Though it cannot understand the file system, it claims to extract disk
information and store it as an FDI (Formatted Disk Image) or ADF (Amiga Disk
File) file.
--
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Amiga Interactive Guide http://amiga.emugaming.com
Home of the Amiga magazine guide, Complete Amiga prototype/official/clone
list, and more!
18 Jul
18 Jul
6:47 p.m.
Zane H. Healy skrev:
> I don't have a network card, but if all goes
well a GVP
> Spectrum graphics card is going into it. BTW, 3.9 includes a bunch
> of AVI's and a few MP3's on the CD to test the various media players
> with, as well as an audio track. I'm not planning on upgrading any
> of the other custom chips unless I find I have to, such as the Buster.
There are MP3 players for 68k Amiga's?!?!
That's either rather gutsy, or
pathetic, I'm not sure which. What do they do, decode them to another
format and then play them?
Keep in mind that I'm running a 25 MHz Amiga as my main (only) machine. That
doesn't mean I don't enjoy MP3s. =)
They decode in real time. A French bloke named Stephane Tavenard deserves most
of the credit for his tight assembler-coded MPEGA.library, which most players
use.
Since my stock A4000 is probably the absolute low-end for getting moderate
quality playback, I usually use a command-line player and a lot of buffering.
A faster '040 or an '060 won't be so limitated. An '060 may even replay
several MP3s at once, and there are pretty, skinnable programs such as
AmigaAMP or AMPlifier. =)
Decoding MP3s to another format is for Mac users. Let them believe realtime
playback is impossible. Amiga (and Atari) users know otherwise. =)
> Mine's going underneathe my NEC monitor and
sharing it with
> the G3. This little Multisync C400 has certainly seen it's share of
> various computers since I bought it in '96!
The monitors I've got would probably crush a A3000!
I might be able to put
it in the wooden rack next to the desk, but the PDP-8/m sits where it would
need to go, and I'm going to need to find more room in the rack for a
PDP-8/e and Papertape reader/punch.
We're running a 17" Compaq monitor on top of ours. A friend of mine runs a 19-
incher on top of his, IIRC-
OTOH, I might be able to stuff it under the A2002
Monitor I've got hooked up
to a dead VCR (I use the combo for a TV in the computer room.
I use a Philips 8833 as TV. =)
What's an A2002? Is that the one with the slow phosphor?
> I'm going to use mine as a backup system as
well as one to
> handle those times when I just feel the urge ot use an Amiga. The
> fact that it doesn't depend on anything MS is nice too. You could
> also use it as a Linux box too. It'd be cool to fix the kernel panic
> on mine when booting into Linux, but that's a low priority. I think
> I saw some of the distro files still on the hard disk when I was
> moving stuff around on the Amiga partition.
Don't need a backup system, and I've no desire
to run Linux on anything but
a fast x86 box. So I'm still trying to come up with a use for it. That was
one of the reasons I bought it a Catweasel, however, the board didn't
function as advertised thanks to the lack of software for it. Of course the
Catweasel board is also why it's sitting in a monster ALR Server Tower at
the moment!
What software are you lacking?
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Amiga: (noun) The most technologically advanced computer that hardly anyone
cares about.
Use in sentence: "I wanted to buy an Amiga for its low price and great color
graphics, but everyone else seems to be using IBMs or Macintoshes. So, to
remain compatible with the rest of the world, I spent three times as much on a
Macintosh and got only half the graphics capability of an Amiga."
19 Jul
19 Jul
5:22 p.m.
There are MP3
players for 68k Amiga's?!?! That's either rather gutsy, or
pathetic, I'm not sure which. What do they do, decode them to another
format and then play them?
Keep in mind that I'm running a 25 MHz Amiga as my main (only) machine. That
doesn't mean I don't enjoy MP3s. =)
They decode in real time. A French bloke named Stephane Tavenard deserves most
of the credit for his tight assembler-coded MPEGA.library, which most players
use. Since my stock A4000 is probably the absolute low-end
for getting moderate
quality playback, I usually use a command-line player and a lot of buffering.
A faster '040 or an '060 won't be so limitated. An '060 may even replay
several MP3s at once, and there are pretty, skinnable programs such as
AmigaAMP or AMPlifier. =)
Ah, now I see, you're running a A4000, which should mean a 68040 processor.
Well, there is more than a little difference in speed between a A3000/25 and
A4000/25 since I've got a 68030 and you've got a 68040. I'd love a faster
CPU, but I can't justify it for a machine that I quite honestly have no real
use for. I just like it :^)
Out of curiousity, what else can you do on your 68040 while playing MP3's
and how does it effect playback? I've got to admit to being curious about
that one.
The monitors
I've got would probably crush a A3000! I might be able to put
it in the wooden rack next to the desk, but the PDP-8/m sits where it would
need to go, and I'm going to need to find more room in the rack for a
PDP-8/e and Papertape reader/punch.
We're running a 17" Compaq monitor on top of ours. A friend of mine runs a 19-
incher on top of his, IIRC- What's an A2002? Is that the one with the slow
phosphor?
Not sure on what it is other than an Amiga monitor that can be used with
both an Amiga 500 and a Commodore 64, plus it makes a decent enough TV.
I've also got a 1702 and something like a 1802, I'm threatening to dig one
of them out this weekend for a project I'm working on. Though I doubt I'll
find the time.
Don't need
a backup system, and I've no desire to run Linux on anything but
a fast x86 box. So I'm still trying to come up with a use for it. That was
one of the reasons I bought it a Catweasel, however, the board didn't
function as advertised thanks to the lack of software for it. Of course the
Catweasel board is also why it's sitting in a monster ALR Server Tower at
the moment!
What software are you lacking? Amiga: (noun) The most technologically advanced
computer that hardly anyone
cares about.
Use in sentence: "I wanted to buy an Amiga for its low price and great color
graphics, but everyone else seems to be using IBMs or Macintoshes. So, to
remain compatible with the rest of the world, I spent three times as much on a
Macintosh and got only half the graphics capability of an Amiga."
Unfortunatly, this is no longer remotely true. If Gateway had followed
through it might be, but they didn't. Which is why most of the Amiga
comunity has moved on to either the Mac, BeOS, Linux, or Windows. Times
change, what the Amiga did with style, modern Mac's and PC's do with brute
force.
Though as I was cursing this morning, even with MacOS 9.1 a Mac can't format
a floppy and do something else. I love my G4/450, but that's just plain
pathetic. I think that's the real reason Apple dropped the floppies from
thier systems, they didn't want to write decent software to work with them.
A 68k based system will blow the socks off of any Power Mac when it comes to
doing anything floppy related! And I'm serious, I've tested it! I've no
idea how pathetic Windows might be at this, as I try to avoid it.
Zane
20 Jul
20 Jul
11:55 a.m.
At 07:22 PM 7/19/01 -0700, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Though as I was cursing this morning, even with MacOS
9.1 a Mac can't format
a floppy and do something else. I love my G4/450, but that's just plain
pathetic.
And I thought that having dual processors on my G4 would have
some effect allowing doing more than one thing at once, but
it doesn't. I bought it (that is, Apple sold it) months before
OS X was shipped. OS X will use the dual processors. A few
odd PhotoShop plugins use it. The distributed.net client uses it.
Other than that, I wasted a few hundred bucks.
- John
12:35 p.m.
And I thought that having dual processors on my G4
would have
some effect allowing doing more than one thing at once, but
it doesn't. I bought it (that is, Apple sold it) months before
OS X was shipped. OS X will use the dual processors. A few
odd PhotoShop plugins use it. The distributed.net client uses it.
Other than that, I wasted a few hundred bucks.
Can't LightWave 3D for Macintosh make any use of the second CPU?
Jacek
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12:42 p.m.
At 11:35 PM 7/20/01 +0200, Jacek Artymiak wrote:
Can't LightWave 3D for Macintosh make any use of
the second CPU?
Perhaps it can. Although I was intimately involved with
the 3D market and particularly Lightwave for many years,
I no longer am. I still have dongles for PC but not Mac.
- John
4:07 p.m.
Zane H. Healy skrev:
> >There are MP3 players for 68k Amiga's?!?!
That's either rather gutsy, or
> >pathetic, I'm not sure which. What do they do, decode them to another
> >format and then play them?
>
> Keep in mind that I'm running a 25 MHz Amiga as my main (only) machine.
> That doesn't mean I don't enjoy MP3s. =) They decode in real time. A French
> bloke named Stephane Tavenard deserves most of the credit for his tight
> assembler-coded MPEGA.library, which most players use.
Now that is *impressive*!
> Since my stock A4000 is probably the absolute
low-end for getting moderate
> quality playback, I usually use a command-line player and a lot of
> buffering. A faster '040 or an '060 won't be so limitated. An '060
may even
> replay several MP3s at once, and there are pretty, skinnable programs such
> as AmigaAMP or AMPlifier. =)
Ah, now I see, you're running a A4000, which should
mean a 68040 processor.
Well, there is more than a little difference in speed between a A3000/25 and
A4000/25 since I've got a 68030 and you've got a 68040. I'd love a faster
CPU, but I can't justify it for a machine that I quite honestly have no real
use for. I just like it :^)
The A4000 has gotr Commodore's pathetic 68040 board, though, so any third-
party board should fare much better, particularly the 40 MHz ones.
Out of curiousity, what else can you do on your 68040
while playing MP3's
and how does it effect playback? I've got to admit to being curious about
that one.
Not much, I'm afraid. That's why I use a lot of buffering, so that I might at
least read some email, but surfing the net at the same time is asking for
trouble on an 040/25.
> >The monitors I've got would probably crush
a A3000! I might be able to
> >put it in the wooden rack next to the desk, but the PDP-8/m sits where it
> >would need to go, and I'm going to need to find more room in the rack for
> >a PDP-8/e and Papertape reader/punch.
>
> We're running a 17" Compaq monitor on top of ours. A friend of mine runs a
> 19- incher on top of his, IIRC-
I'm talking either a 19-20" IBM P200 or a
21" Viewsonic P815. Those are
*very* heavy monitors, and my A3000's case is already in bad shape. About
the only system I'd consider setting under either of them would be something
like my Sparc 20/712, which is built a lot sturdier.
All right.
> >Don't need a backup system, and I've
no desire to run Linux on anything
> >but a fast x86 box. So I'm still trying to come up with a use for it.
> >That was one of the reasons I bought it a Catweasel, however, the board
> >didn't function as advertised thanks to the lack of software for it. Of
> >course the Catweasel board is also why it's sitting in a monster ALR
> >Server Tower at the moment!
>
> What software are you lacking?
The Catweasel board (at least when I bought mine had
the software to read
Amiga, PC, C-64, and maybe Macintosh floppies. It was advertised as being
able to read a lot more different formats. The problem is, it doesn't (or
at least didn't) have any software to do that.
That's odd, according to the review I read it could read Amiga, PC and ST
formats, as well as transferring C64 disks into images.
> Amiga: (noun) The most technologically advanced
computer that hardly anyone
> cares about. Use in sentence: "I wanted to buy an Amiga for its low price
> and great color graphics, but everyone else seems to be using IBMs or
> Macintoshes. So, to remain compatible with the rest of the world, I spent
> three times as much on a Macintosh and got only half the graphics
> capability of an Amiga."
Unfortunatly, this is no longer remotely true. If
Gateway had followed
through it might be, but they didn't. Which is why most of the Amiga
comunity has moved on to either the Mac, BeOS, Linux, or Windows. Times
change, what the Amiga did with style, modern Mac's and PC's do with brute
force.
You're just fantasising.
Though as I was cursing this morning, even with MacOS
9.1 a Mac can't format
a floppy and do something else. I love my G4/450, but that's just plain
pathetic. I think that's the real reason Apple dropped the floppies from
thier systems, they didn't want to write decent software to work with them.
A 68k based system will blow the socks off of any Power Mac when it comes to
doing anything floppy related! And I'm serious, I've tested it! I've no
idea how pathetic Windows might be at this, as I try to avoid it.
Windows is equally pathetic. Of course, the PC floppy system is pathetic in
itself. It doesn't even detect disk insertion.
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they people or companies), for any purpose they wish to use it, including
modification, use, peeing on, or even integration into baby mulching machines
or atomic bombs to be dropped on Australia."
- Theo de Raadt
4:51 p.m.
That's odd, according to the review I read it could
read Amiga, PC and ST
formats, as well as transferring C64 disks into images.
According to Blittersoft's site, it would seem to be quite
flexible. The ST's format is basically the 720k DOS format though,
so being able to read ST disks shouldn't be any extra work at all.
The only real problem I can think of would be disks formatted under
TOS 1.02 or earlier. These disks differ in format by a couple of
bytes and could be made PC-DOS compatible but weren't straight from
the ST.
Jeff
--
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Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
4:59 p.m.
Ah, now I see,
you're running a A4000, which should mean a 68040 processor.
Well, there is more than a little difference in speed between a A3000/25 and
A4000/25 since I've got a 68030 and you've got a 68040. I'd love a faster
CPU, but I can't justify it for a machine that I quite honestly have no real
use for. I just like it :^)
The A4000 has gotr Commodore's pathetic 68040 board, though, so any third-
party board should fare much better, particularly the 40 MHz ones. Not much, I'm afraid. That's why I use a lot
of buffering, so that I might at
least read some email, but surfing the net at the same time is asking for
trouble on an 040/25.
I suspected as much, even with a nice lightwieght OS with great multitasking
there is only so much you can do with a 68040/25.
The Catweasel
board (at least when I bought mine had the software to read
Amiga, PC, C-64, and maybe Macintosh floppies. It was advertised as being
able to read a lot more different formats. The problem is, it doesn't (or
at least didn't) have any software to do that.
That's odd, according to the review I read it could read Amiga, PC and ST
formats, as well as transferring C64 disks into images. Windows is equally pathetic. Of course, the PC floppy
system is pathetic in
itself. It doesn't even detect disk insertion.
I'm not surprised, I remember when I was running OS/2 on my 486/33, a top of
the line system at the time with a massive 8MB RAM and 2 200MB HD's! Anyway
I ran V1.3 - V2.1 on it, and I think it was V2.0 that so blew me away, I
could be formating both a 3.5" and a 5.25" floppy while downloading
something, AND doing something else! Now that was awsome! Of course these
days I realize that's the kind of performance that should be expected from a
computer, even if it is only a desktop PC.
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