22 Nov
1998
22 Nov
'98
11:41 a.m.
I went to the Tampa hamfest this weekend and ran into Phil Clayton. I
also came home with two new toys. A HP 9835A and a LOADED Tektronix 4051!
Unfortunately both of these need some serious restoration! The CRT in
the HP is really messed up. It has all kinds of small spots inside the
glass of the CRT except for a spot about 3" across in the center. I haven't
tried it yet but I doubt that I'll be able to read anything except directly
in the center of the screen. I also got a HP 13272 5 1/4" disk drive with
it.
I don't know much about the Tektronix, except that it's a very old 4051
Graphics computer. I got two Tek 4097 8" disk drive cabinets with it. One
cabinet contains a single drive and the other contains two drives. The
4051 has two sockets in the back for plug in ROMs but also I got a separate
box that plugs into the 4051 and holds 10 plug in ROMs. I think it's got 6
ROMs in it including the service ROM. While I was at the hamfest I was
lucky enough to find brand new manuals for two of the ROMs. One is the
Signal Processing ROM I and the other is the Signal Processing ROM II
(FFT). I'm SUPPOSED to get a stack of manuals for the system too. I left
behind the plotter that went with the system. It was a monsterous Tektronix
flat bed job that must have measured 5 x 6 FEET!!!
Joe
22 Nov
22 Nov
12:42 p.m.
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23 Nov
23 Nov
6:19 a.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
card. I think, though that Tektronix can still supply
copies of some of
the manuals for these machines. Be warned they're expensive, though.
Not for the 4406 Artificial Intelligence Workstation, alas. If they still
have manuals for 40xx terminals, why don't they have manuals for even more
recent products? Sigh.
It's a 68020-based computer that runs UTek (Tek's port of BSD 4.1) and
Smalltalk-80.
22 Nov
22 Nov
1:47 p.m.
New subject: Recent Finds & Thoughts
A friend of mine gave me several Corvus Systems devices that he indicated
were used on Apple computers. He indicated one was called a server, and
don't recall the others. Anyone know what these things might be?
I'm slowly finding out about the many varieties of Apple //e computers. So
far, I have found four different styles including one with the built-in
numeric keyboard, with the main differences being case styles. Also got one
Apple //e along with four Apple //c computers today.
In the load today also came quite a lot of Heathkit/Zenith documentation to
go along with recent computers that have come in.
Another thing that I was given a couple of days ago was Umax UC840 color
scanner. So far I don't have docs, and no idea (yet) of how to use it.
However, it seems like it would be a great way to scan in documentation!
Having *finally* gotten a CD-R unit hooked up, it occurred to me that
perhaps recording all the cassette data tapes to CD would be a worthwhile
thing to do. Has anyone else tried this? I would think it would be trivial
to hook up a stereo to computers, and thus load both data and programs.
2:42 p.m.
New subject: Recent Finds & Thoughts
On Sun, 22 Nov 1998, Marvin wrote:
I'm slowly finding out about the many varieties of
Apple //e computers. So
far, I have found four different styles including one with the built-in
numeric keyboard, with the main differences being case styles. Also got one
Apple //e along with four Apple //c computers today.
Here are the basic variations of the Apple //e:
Rev Keycaps Letters Mem CPU Notes
--- -------- ------- ---- ----- ----------------------------------
1 Beige White 64K 6502 Not capable of double hi-res mode
2 Grey Black 64K 6502 Double hi-res with 128K
3 Grey Black 128K 65c02 Enhanced
4 Platinum Black 128K 65c02 "Platinum" model, numeric keypad
Each subsequent model carried over the added features of the previous
model. All models could be expanded to 128K and beyond in the auxiliary
port, but the first ones shipped with only a 64K/80-column card. Note
that the revision isn't necessarily the actual motherboard revision
number, just a sequence number for the purposes of the chart.
There's also the Super ][. It was basically the prototype //e. Only
about 100 are known to exist. That's the only one I'm missing from my
collection unfortunately :)
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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2:43 p.m.
New subject: Dulmont Magnum
I've just obtained an unusual laptop circa 1983, a Dulmot Magnum.
Garbage-bin green body, quite heavy. Runs on 6V, MS-DOS 2.11 Very strange
flip-up LCD display, about 8 lines x 80 characters. Actually, this thing is
pretty well designed for its day.
Does anybody know about the history of this machine, and where it fits in
relative to other laptops of the era (ie: what was the first genuine laptop,
when, etc) ?
--
Andrew Davie
www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/slide/calculator/soviet.html
adavie(a)mad.scientist.com
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2:54 p.m.
New subject: Dulmont Magnum
On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, Andrew Davie wrote:
I've just obtained an unusual laptop circa 1983, a
Dulmot Magnum.
Garbage-bin green body, quite heavy. Runs on 6V, MS-DOS 2.11 Very
strange flip-up LCD display, about 8 lines x 80 characters. Actually,
this thing is pretty well designed for its day. Does anybody know about
the history of this machine, and where it fits in relative to other
laptops of the era (ie: what was the first genuine laptop, when, etc) ?
Never heard of it, but it sounds cool! Any pix? Without seeing it, I'd
guess it might be a relabled Gavilan.
As far as clamshell laptops, it went something like:
1982, GRiD Compass
1983, Gavilan
1983, HP Portable (110)
-- Doug
2:59 p.m.
New subject: Dulmont Magnum
On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, Andrew Davie wrote:
I've just obtained an unusual laptop circa 1983, a
Dulmot Magnum.
Garbage-bin green body, quite heavy. Runs on 6V, MS-DOS 2.11 Very strange
flip-up LCD display, about 8 lines x 80 characters. Actually, this thing is
pretty well designed for its day.
Do you have a GIF of this or something? It almost sounds like a
re-badged Gavilan. Dimensions and obvious ports and latches would help.
Welcome back.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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3:10 p.m.
New subject: Dulmont Magnum
I've placed some images up on my site...
YOu can see this machine at
http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/weird/dulmont/magnum1.jpg
http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/weird/dulmont/magnum2.jpg
Cheers
A
-----Original Message-----
From: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu
[mailto:CLASSICCMP-owner@u.washington.edu]On Behalf Of Sam Ismail
Sent: Monday, November 23, 1998 3:59 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: Dulmont Magnum
On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, Andrew Davie wrote:
I've just obtained an unusual laptop circa
1983, a Dulmot Magnum.
Garbage-bin green body, quite heavy. Runs on 6V, MS-DOS 2.11
Very strange
flip-up LCD display, about 8 lines x 80
characters. Actually,
this thing is
pretty well designed for its day.
Do you have a GIF of this or something? It almost sounds like a
re-badged Gavilan. Dimensions and obvious ports and latches would help.
Welcome back.
Sellam Alternate e-mail:
dastar(a)siconic.com
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3:13 p.m.
New subject: Dulmont Magnum
On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, Andrew Davie wrote:
I've just obtained an unusual laptop circa 1983, a
Dulmot Magnum.
But of course, it is a laptop Francais:
http://www.multimania.com/samurai/ORDIS/magnum.htm
Tres^H^H^H^H Very interesting!
-- Doug
3:15 p.m.
New subject: Dulmont Magnum
Actually, it's Australian. Serial # 01126
Thanks for the reference to the French web-page mentioning it, though!
Cheers
A
-----Original Message-----
From: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu
[mailto:CLASSICCMP-owner@u.washington.edu]On Behalf Of Doug Yowza
Sent: Monday, November 23, 1998 4:13 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: Dulmont Magnum
On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, Andrew Davie wrote:
I've just obtained an unusual laptop circa
1983, a Dulmot Magnum.
But of course, it is a laptop Francais:
http://www.multimania.com/samurai/ORDIS/magnum.htm
Tres^H^H^H^H Very interesting!
-- Doug
3:51 p.m.
New subject: Recent Finds & Thoughts
Sam Ismail wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 1998, Marvin wrote:
I need to take a look at the guts to check those things out What I am
finding is:
Style 1 - Top cover has a "velcro" style latch
Style 2 - Top cover has what appears to be shielding along the back side
with aluminum bottom
Style 3 - Top cover has what appears to be shielding along the back side
with steel bottom
Style 4 - Has a numeric keypad built into the case
Additionally on the early machines, there seem to be two styles of keycaps
with large and small Apple Icons.
I know, I have too much time on my hands :).
I'm slowly finding out about the many
varieties of Apple //e computers. So
far, I have found four different styles including one with the built-in
Here are the basic variations of the Apple //e:
Rev Keycaps Letters Mem CPU Notes
--- -------- ------- ---- ----- ----------------------------------
1 Beige White 64K 6502 Not capable of double hi-res mode
2 Grey Black 64K 6502 Double hi-res with 128K
3 Grey Black 128K 65c02 Enhanced
4 Platinum Black 128K 65c02 "Platinum" model, numeric keypad
3:59 p.m.
New subject: Recent Finds & Thoughts
On Sun, 22 Nov 1998, Marvin wrote:
You'll find that:
Rev Keycaps
Letters Mem CPU Notes
--- -------- ------- ---- ----- ----------------------------------
1 Beige White 64K 6502 Not capable of double hi-res mode
2 Grey Black 64K 6502 Double hi-res with 128K
3 Grey Black 128K 65c02 Enhanced
4 Platinum Black 128K 65c02 "Platinum" model, numeric keypad
I need to take a look at the guts to check those things out What I am
finding is: Style 1 - Top cover has a "velcro" style
latch
This is "Rev 1" above.
Style 2 - Top cover has what appears to be shielding
along the back side
with aluminum bottom
Style 3 - Top cover has what appears to be shielding along the back side
with steel bottom
Most likely "Rev 2" and "Rev 3" respectively.
Style 4 - Has a numeric keypad built into the case
This is "Rev 4".
Additionally on the early machines, there seem to be
two styles of keycaps
with large and small Apple Icons.
I don't think there were any models shipped with the old style Apple ][
velcro fastener hood and the new style Apple //e keyboard. In other
words, the style that has the velcro snaps also always had the old style,
beige/white keyboard. I don't think I know of any exceptions. Let me
know if you find this to not be the case with your lot.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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23 Nov
23 Nov
1:26 a.m.
New subject: Recent Finds & Thoughts
On 22 Nov 98 at 19:47, Marvin wrote:
SNIP
In the load today also came quite a lot of
Heathkit/Zenith documentation to
go along with recent computers that have come in.
SNIP
I've been trying to get docs on early H/Z s. There doesn't seem to be a
hellova lot out there. The Z100 newsgroup is pretty vacant and is mostly
porn and spam. There's the Simtel files at Oakland in pub/z100 and a
Heathkit page but it's more on H's various hobby kits than on the computers.
I still can't figure out if the z100 was a whole different line (with a S-100
Bus ?) than my ZFA with the passive backplane and the pop-up fdds or not.
The disdain of the true-blue z100-ers for the PC ones seems as great as the
UNIX-PC divide if my search on Dejanews is any indication.
What models were these docs for and can you clear up my confusion ?
ciao larry
ciao larry
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