15 Jul
2009
15 Jul
'09
2:59 p.m.
The correct name for what you are [incorrectly] calling a "PCMCIA Card" is a
"PC Card". PCMCIA is the name of the organization that owns the trademarks
and they changed the name of the CARDS from "PCMCIA cards" to "PC
Cards"
more than a decade ago (early 1990's), but people just won't let go. The
"MC" in PCMCIA stands for "Memory Card", which was [ALL] that they
were when
they came into existence, but that hasn't been the primary use of these
cards in almost 20 years. And the "A" stands for "Association".
Neither is
appropriate to the cards themselves as they are used today, and "PCMCIA
Card" is not in accord with the organization's registered trademarks [They
own both the standard and the trademarks, they get to decide the "right"
names for them.]
PC Cards come in 3 mechanical form factors [thicknesses]:
Type I, II and III
PC cards also come in two electrical types (unrelated to type I, II or III]:
16-bit
32-bit (aka "Cardbus")
A "Cardbus" card is still a PC Card.
Note that, electrically, a 16-bit PC card is the laptop equivalent of an ISA
card and a 32-bit (or "Cardbus") PC card is the laptop equivalent of a PCI
card. You can put any function onto a PC card that a desktop slot of the
corresponding type would have supported (and, conversely, you cannot, for
example, create a 16-bit PC card USB adapter with USB ports; the necessary
resources and data rates don't exist on the ISA bus, a PCI slot is
required).
32-bit PC Card slots are generally backwards compatible to 16-bit cards.
The reverse is not true. Laptops (and desktop card slots) changed from
16-bit to 32-bit in approximately 1997, about the time of the Pentium [one]
120 to 166 MHz class CPU.
From: Richard <legalize at xmission.com>
Subject: Re: An interesting ebay find and what to do with scsi do-dads
Also, the memory card reader has a slot for a type 1
or 2 pcmcia card.
What could I put in this? A pcmcia flash memory drive seems obvious.
What else?
There's scads of PCMCIA cards out there. Amazon.com has 4 pages of search
results for PCMCIA. Firewire, modem, wireless, memory card adapters, etc.
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15 Jul
15 Jul
3:53 p.m.
On 15 Jul 2009 at 14:59, Barry Watzman wrote:
The correct name for what you are [incorrectly]
calling a "PCMCIA
Card" is a "PC Card". PCMCIA is the name of the organization that
owns the trademarks and they changed the name of the CARDS from
"PCMCIA cards" to "PC Cards" more than a decade ago (early
1990's),
but people just won't let go.
I resisted because the new name smacked of usurpation. One used to
call a small PCB that plugged into an assembly a "card" or "PC card".
Whippersnappers!
And keep off my lawn...
--Chuck
3:57 p.m.
PCMCIA
People
Cant
Memorize
Computer
Industry
Acronyms
--- On Wed, 7/15/09, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com>
Subject: Re: Do not call them PCMCIA Cards (was "An interesting eBay find ....)
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 3:53 PM
On 15 Jul 2009 at 14:59, Barry
Watzman wrote:
The correct name for what you are [incorrectly]
calling a "PCMCIA
Card" is a "PC Card".? PCMCIA is
the name of the
organization that
owns the trademarks and they changed the name of
the
CARDS from
"PCMCIA cards" to "PC Cards"
more than a decade ago
(early 1990's),
but people just won't let go.
I resisted because the new name smacked of
usurpation.? ? One used to
call a small PCB that plugged into an assembly a "card" or
"PC card".
Whippersnappers!
?
And keep off my lawn...
--Chuck
4 p.m.
New subject: RANT: Do not call them PCMCIA Cards (was "An interesting eBay
On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Barry Watzman wrote:
The correct name for what you are [incorrectly]
calling a "PCMCIA Card" is a
"PC Card". PCMCIA is the name of the organization that owns the trademarks
and they changed the name of the CARDS from "PCMCIA cards" to "PC
Cards"
They can TRY.
1) I have some cards that predate their attempt to change the name.
2) "PC Card" is an unacceptably bad choice for a new name, since SOME use
"PC cards" to refer to any ISA board.
3) "PCMCIA" doesn't need to be broken down into its component parts and
then skip some of them. It originally was trademarked as "Personal
Computer Memory Card Industry Association", and "PCMCIA Cards" was, and
therefore STILL IS, a valid name for them.
4) If you really believe that some industry association can
retro-actively change the name, then consider "PCMCIA" to mean "People
Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms".
more than a decade ago (early 1990's), but people
just won't let go.
. . . and just who has the authority to DEMAND such a
change?
I'll "let go" when they pry them from my cold dead hands.
"MC" in PCMCIA stands for "Memory
Card", which was [ALL] that they were when
they came into existence, but that hasn't been the primary use of these
cards in almost 20 years. And the "A" stands for "Association".
Neither is
appropriate to the cards themselves as they are used today, and "PCMCIA
Card" is not in accord with the organization's registered trademarks [They
own both the standard and the trademarks, they get to decide the "right"
names for them.]
Sure. "right".
The component parts are largely irrelevant. A card that complied with the
specs from the Personal Computer Memory Card Industry Association, even if
it was NOT a memory card, was validly a "PCMCIA card". The company that
trademarked, etc. was NAMED "PCMCIA", and it is irrelevant that those
cards began to encompass some non-memory functions.
"AT&T" ("American Telephone and Telegraph") is a company name,
even if the
specific product is neither "telephone" nor "telegraph".
Once a given item has a name, NOBODY has the power to FORCE a rename.
If I have a "Heathkit", "Thinker Toys", "Kentucky Fried
Computers",
"Shugart TECHNOLOGY", "Tandy", "Radio Shack",
"VTOS" item, I
can and will continue to call it by its name, regardless of what
the current name is of the company that made or named it.
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4:34 p.m.
card. You can put any function onto a PC card that a
desktop slot of the
corresponding type would have supported (and, conversely, you cannot, for
example, create a 16-bit PC card USB adapter with USB ports; the necessary
resources and data rates don't exist on the ISA bus, a PCI slot is
required).
I have personally seen a 16-bit USB PCMCIA card, which are much sought after
by older Mac laptop owners who do not have CardBus (such as 1400s, 5300s,
etc.). They are practically unobtanium, but they did exist.
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New subject: Do not call them PCMCIA Cards (was "An interesting eBay find ....)
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Cameron Kaiser<spectre at floodgap.com> wrote:
I have personally seen a 16-bit USB PCMCIA card, which
are much sought after
by older Mac laptop owners who do not have CardBus (such as 1400s, 5300s,
etc.). They are practically unobtanium, but they did exist.
Wow. Long ago, I wanted one of those for an older Dell laptop (before
that laptop was stolen from me at a hotel). The vendor FAQ for that
model (Latitude LM, IIRC) stated that there was *no* way to put USB on
it since it wasn't part of the mainboard chipset and the machine only
supported 16-bit cards.
I had no idea someone _did_ make one. I'm hardly surprised they are
extremely difficult to find.
-ethan
4:48 p.m.
I have
personally seen a 16-bit USB PCMCIA card, which are much sought after
by older Mac laptop owners who do not have CardBus (such as 1400s, 5300s,
etc.). They are practically unobtanium, but they did exist.
Wow. Long ago, I wanted one of those for an older Dell laptop (before
that laptop was stolen from me at a hotel). The vendor FAQ for that
model (Latitude LM, IIRC) stated that there was *no* way to put USB on
it since it wasn't part of the mainboard chipset and the machine only
supported 16-bit cards.
I had no idea someone _did_ make one. I'm hardly surprised they are
extremely difficult to find. 
16 Jul
16 Jul
1:12 a.m.
Cameron Kaiser wrote:
As did ISA USB cards, for that matter.
Peace... Sridhar
card. You can
put any function onto a PC card that a desktop slot of the
corresponding type would have supported (and, conversely, you cannot, for
example, create a 16-bit PC card USB adapter with USB ports; the necessary
resources and data rates don't exist on the ISA bus, a PCI slot is
required).
I have personally seen a 16-bit USB PCMCIA card, which are much sought after
by older Mac laptop owners who do not have CardBus (such as 1400s, 5300s,
etc.). They are practically unobtanium, but they did exist. 
11:07 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sridhar Ayengar" <ploopster at gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: Do not call them PCMCIA Cards (was "An interesting eBay find
....)
As did ISA USB cards, for that matter.
I could still use one of those, in case someone finds one. For sentimental
reasons I have a 486 that is still running.
Jim
11:20 a.m.
As did ISA USB
cards, for that matter.
I could still use one of those, in case someone finds one. For sentimental
reasons I have a 486 that is still running. 
15 Jul
15 Jul
6:52 p.m.
On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Barry Watzman wrote:
The correct name for what you are [incorrectly]
calling a "PCMCIA Card" is a
"PC Card". PCMCIA is the name of the organization that owns the trademarks
and they changed the name of the CARDS from "PCMCIA cards" to "PC
Cards"
more than a decade ago (early 1990's), but people just won't let go. The
"MC" in PCMCIA stands for "Memory Card", which was [ALL] that they
were when
they came into existence, but that hasn't been the primary use of these
cards in almost 20 years. And the "A" stands for "Association".
Neither is
appropriate to the cards themselves as they are used today, and "PCMCIA
Card" is not in accord with the organization's registered trademarks [They
own both the standard and the trademarks, they get to decide the "right"
names for them.]
Whatever.
It has been my experience that most people know what you mean when you say
PCMCIA, the same is not true for "PC Card".
Zane
8:15 p.m.
New subject: Do not call them PCMCIA Cards (was "An interesting eBay find ....)
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Barry Watzman<Watzman at neo.rr.com> wrote:
The correct name for what you are [incorrectly]
calling a "PCMCIA Card" is a
"PC Card".
ok, first off, I know. These cards were called pcmcia cards for years
by quite a lot of people until they were later renamed PC Cards. I
really couldn't care less why it happened. But I was aware of the
rename. I also stopped paying attention to a lot of other computer
particulars somewhere around the same time. When I have a need to
know, I'll look it up.
Secondly, I think it would serve a lot of us here if everyone were
aware of Aperger's Syndrome. I have it, and probably a very
significant percentage of people who read this mail list have it as
well. People who have it could have a several opinions about it. You
could for example, believe that you're right and that nothing is wrong
with you, and that you're completely normal, in spite of lacking an
adequate frame of reference with which to compare your experience.
Or, you could accept that you have it, but conclude that you're manner
of thinking, behaving and being is better than that of everyone else
and refuse to modify your behavior in an attempt to better cohabitate
with your neighbors. Or, you could accept that you have it and decide
to work toward learning some people skills in an attempt to at least
partially improve the opinions of the people you meet.
There's scads of PCMCIA cards out there.
?Amazon.com has 4 pages of search
results for PCMCIA. ?Firewire, modem, wireless, memory card adapters, etc.
I think i should have reworded my question to include the caveat that
the PC Card would need to function correctly within the context of a
scsi bus. I'm not sure how far I would get with a PC Card network
device plugged into a scsi bus.
brian
16 Jul
16 Jul
2:57 a.m.
New subject: Do not call them PCMCIA Cards (was "An interesting eBay find ....)
On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 19:15 -0500, Brian Lanning wrote:
Secondly, I think it would serve a lot of us here if
everyone were
aware of Aperger's Syndrome. I have it, and probably a very
significant percentage of people who read this mail list have it as
well. People who have it could have a several opinions about it. You
could for example, believe that you're right and that nothing is wrong
with you, and that you're completely normal, in spite of lacking an
adequate frame of reference with which to compare your experience.
Or, you could accept that you have it, but conclude that you're manner
of thinking, behaving and being is better than that of everyone else
and refuse to modify your behavior in an attempt to better cohabitate
with your neighbors. Or, you could accept that you have it and decide
to work toward learning some people skills in an attempt to at least
partially improve the opinions of the people you meet.
Or, you could accept that Asperger's Syndrome is a load of nonsense made
up by a desperate but unremarkable doctor wanting to make his mark in
his chosen field, and used to excuse an entirely fixable lack of social
skills.
Think you might be an Aspie? Here's some free self-help advice - as
Chuck Pahalniuk might say, "You are not a unique and beautiful
snowflake". Furthermore, the world does not now, did not in the past
and will not in the future revolve around you and your needs. In a
related effect, no-one is going to change the way they behave just to
accomodate you, and nor should they have to.
As a friend of mine said many years ago after his parents took him to a
clinical psychologist, "So it turns out I have Asperger's, and all this
time here was me thinking I was just being a dick."
Gordon
11:53 a.m.
Or, you could accept that Asperger's Syndrome is a
load of nonsense
made
up by a desperate but unremarkable doctor wanting to make his mark in
his chosen field, and used to excuse an entirely fixable lack of social
skills.
What facts are you using to make these assertions?
Think you might be an Aspie? Here's some free self-help advice - as
Chuck Pahalniuk might say, "You are not a unique and beautiful
snowflake". Furthermore, the world does not now, did not in the past
and will not in the future revolve around you and your needs. In a
related effect, no-one is going to change the way they behave just to
accomodate you, and nor should they have to.
Doesn't that mean that everyone else should behave as *you* expect them to?
So I and everyone else in the world would have to behave as you expect me to
"just to accommodate you"?
Regards
Rob
12:25 p.m.
On Jul 16, 2009, at 2:57 AM, Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp at gjcp.net>
wrote:
On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 19:15 -0500, Brian Lanning
wrote:
Oh, yes, please -- let's have an argument about Asperger's here, based
on "insightful" quotes from frigging "Fight Club."
Or better yet, no.
Josh
Secondly, I think it would serve a lot of us here
if everyone were
aware of Aperger's Syndrome. I have it, and probably a very
significant percentage of people who read this mail list have it as
well. People who have it could have a several opinions about it.
You
could for example, believe that you're right and that nothing is
wrong
with you, and that you're completely normal, in spite of lacking an
adequate frame of reference with which to compare your experience.
Or, you could accept that you have it, but conclude that you're
manner
of thinking, behaving and being is better than that of everyone else
and refuse to modify your behavior in an attempt to better cohabitate
with your neighbors. Or, you could accept that you have it and
decide
to work toward learning some people skills in an attempt to at least
partially improve the opinions of the people you meet.
Or, you could accept that Asperger's Syndrome is a load of nonsense
made
up by a desperate but unremarkable doctor wanting to make his mark in
his chosen field, and used to excuse an entirely fixable lack of
social
skills.
Think you might be an Aspie? Here's some free self-help advice - as
Chuck Pahalniuk might say, "You are not a unique and beautiful
snowflake". Furthermore, the world does not now, did not in the
past
and will not in the future revolve around you and your needs. In a
related effect, no-one is going to change the way they behave just to
accomodate you, and nor should they have to.
As a friend of mine said many years ago after his parents took him
to a
clinical psychologist, "So it turns out I have Asperger's, and all
this
time here was me thinking I was just being a dick."
Gordon
8:19 p.m.
New subject: Do not call them PCMCIA Cards (was "An interesting eBay find ....)
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Josh Dersch<derschjo at mail.msu.edu> wrote:
Oh, yes, please -- let's have an argument about
Asperger's here, based on
"insightful" quotes from frigging "Fight Club."
Or better yet, no.
The first rule of Asperger's Syndrome: Don't talk about Asperger's
Syndrome. :-D
brian
21 Jul
21 Jul
11:04 a.m.
Josh Dersch wrote:
On Jul 16, 2009, at 2:57 AM, Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp at gjcp.net> wrote:
Ya know, I saw the message, and suffered from a bit of de ja vu.... A
few weeks ago, someone brought up Asperger's on the Rockbox mailing
list, basically saying all the programmers there had it. Of course, war
ensued...
I wonder if Brian is on the Rockbox mailing list.....
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On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 19:15 -0500, Brian Lanning
wrote:
Oh, yes, please -- let's have an argument about Asperger's here, based
on "insightful" quotes from frigging "Fight Club."
Or better yet, no.
Josh Secondly, I think it would serve a lot of us here
if everyone were
aware of Aperger's Syndrome. I have it, and probably a very
significant percentage of people who read this mail list have it as
well. People who have it could have a several opinions about it. You
could for example, believe that you're right and that nothing is wrong
with you, and that you're completely normal, in spite of lacking an
adequate frame of reference with which to compare your experience.
Or, you could accept that you have it, but conclude that you're manner
of thinking, behaving and being is better than that of everyone else
and refuse to modify your behavior in an attempt to better cohabitate
with your neighbors. Or, you could accept that you have it and decide
to work toward learning some people skills in an attempt to at least
partially improve the opinions of the people you meet.
Or, you could accept that Asperger's Syndrome is a load of nonsense made
up by a desperate but unremarkable doctor wanting to make his mark in
his chosen field, and used to excuse an entirely fixable lack of social
skills.
Think you might be an Aspie? Here's some free self-help advice - as
Chuck Pahalniuk might say, "You are not a unique and beautiful
snowflake".
11:15 p.m.
New subject: Do not call them PCMCIA Cards (was "An interesting eBay find ....)
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Dave
Woyciesjes<woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
? ? ? ?Ya know, I saw the message, and suffered from a
bit of de ja vu.... A
few weeks ago, someone brought up Asperger's on the Rockbox mailing list,
basically saying all the programmers there had it. Of course, war ensued...
? ? ? ?I wonder if Brian is on the Rockbox mailing list.....
No. Just lucky I guess. :-) It wasn't my intention to start a
flame-war, so my apologies if that happened.
If someone asks "What time is it?" and someone else responds, "It's
9:30." And you feel the overwhelming urge to respond with, "That's
incorrect! It's 9:27!" Even if you're right, you're wrong. Time to
read Tony Attwood's book.
brian
22 Jul
22 Jul
10:18 a.m.
Brian Lanning wrote:
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Dave
Woyciesjes<woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
K, no problem. Just really odd timing...
Ya know, I saw the message, and suffered
from a bit of de ja vu.... A
few weeks ago, someone brought up Asperger's on the Rockbox mailing list,
basically saying all the programmers there had it. Of course, war ensued...
I wonder if Brian is on the Rockbox mailing list.....
No. Just lucky I guess. :-) It wasn't my intention to start a
flame-war, so my apologies if that happened. If someone asks "What time is it?" and
someone else responds, "It's
9:30." And you feel the overwhelming urge to respond with, "That's
incorrect! It's 9:27!" Even if you're right, you're wrong. Time to
read Tony Attwood's book.
Ahh, ehh, nevermind.....
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16 Jul
16 Jul
8:17 p.m.
New subject: Do not call them PCMCIA Cards (was "An interesting eBay find ....)
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:57 AM, Gordon JC Pearce<gordonjcp at gjcp.net> wrote:
On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 19:15 -0500, Brian Lanning
wrote:
Or, you could accept that Asperger's Syndrome is a load of nonsense made
up by a desperate but unremarkable doctor wanting to make his mark in
his chosen field, and used to excuse an entirely fixable lack of social
skills.
Maybe I was a bit too subtle. I think we're agreeing with each other.
I was suggesting that people with AS can certainly learn people
skills and should. But many conclude that they don't have to. I
don't think anyone, even the psychologists, are suggesting that people
with AS can't learn people skills. I think AS is very real. But
since the psychological community doesn't understand it very well, it
defies attempts to classify or describe it, and to differentiate it
from autism in general.
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