Right, and they're all condists, right? (I missed that part before) Does VMS come with the condist, or is it just "other stuff?" Never seen one, myself, though I have come across VMS OS media on CD before. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '