25 Apr
2012
25 Apr
'12
6:28 p.m.
This is vintage for certain values of vintage, but I suppose
this is as good a forum to ask as any. I suspect it's a
little too new/esoteric for most people here, since it's
really only about 5 years old, but it's right before the
series went downhill, which is certainly a common enough
topic of discussion around here. :-)
I have two NIB (sealed) copies of Filemaker Pro 6, one for
Windows and one for Mac. I additionally have one opened
upgrade copy of Pro 7, but to my recollection it hasn't
actually been used (because we didn't realize it was an
upgrade before we opened the box). All should be 100%
legal and ethical to use.
Anyone want? Free to a good home. Pro 6 was a nice version
of Filemaker, 7 maybe slightly less so.
- Dave
25 Apr
25 Apr
7:59 p.m.
At 9:28 PM -0400 4/25/12, David Riley wrote:
I have two NIB (sealed) copies of Filemaker Pro 6, one
for
Windows and one for Mac. I additionally have one opened
Unfortunately it appears it won't work on Mac OS X 10.7. I've been
using FileMaker Pro since '95, but have only run two versions in that
time. I bought v2.1, and later upgraded to v5.5, which won't run on
10.7. It's also one of two reasons I'm still on 10.6.8. Sadly
FileMaker, just like most of the industry, has gotten really crappy
about their upgrade policies.
I'll probably end up dumping my databases and importing them into an
Open Source db of some sort. Some of these db's have been bouncing
around on my systems since dBase III on my Kaypro 2000 back in the
80's.
Zane
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8:11 p.m.
Unfortunately it appears it won't work on Mac OS X
10.7. I've been
using FileMaker Pro since '95, but have only run two versions in that
time. I bought v2.1, and later upgraded to v5.5, which won't run on
10.7. It's also one of two reasons I'm still on 10.6.8. Sadly
FileMaker, just like most of the industry, has gotten really crappy
about their upgrade policies.
Pretty sure 7 was never Universal, was it?
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8:25 p.m.
On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:11 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
No, don't think so; it's the first non-Classic version, though. I
recall that it predated the Intel transition by quite a bit, and 8
was the version that offered Universal capability (and pre-packaged
apps, which were kind of cute but never really worked that well).
6 is the last version I'd use with any willingness. 7 started a
long decline, and I gave up even trying after 8. Maybe their
newer stuff is nicer, but I tried using Bento a few years ago to
do up the envelopes for our wedding invitations, and wrote off
the effort after just an hour or so trying to get it to do
anything useful.
- Dave
Unfortunately
it appears it won't work on Mac OS X 10.7. I've been
using FileMaker Pro since '95, but have only run two versions in that
time. I bought v2.1, and later upgraded to v5.5, which won't run on
10.7. It's also one of two reasons I'm still on 10.6.8. Sadly
FileMaker, just like most of the industry, has gotten really crappy
about their upgrade policies.
Pretty sure 7 was never Universal, was it?
8:51 p.m.
At 11:25 PM -0400 4/25/12, David Riley wrote:
On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:11 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
No, don't think so; it's the first non-Classic version, though. I
recall that it predated the Intel transition by quite a bit, and 8
was the version that offered Universal capability (and pre-packaged
apps, which were kind of cute but never really worked that well).
6 is the last version I'd use with any willingness. 7 started a
long decline, and I gave up even trying after 8. Maybe their
newer stuff is nicer, but I tried using Bento a few years ago to
do up the envelopes for our wedding invitations, and wrote off
the effort after just an hour or so trying to get it to do
anything useful.
That's a really depressing assessment. Having started with a couple
versions of PC:File, then dBase III, and finally dBase IV, I found
FileMaker Pro v2.1 to be really nice. The only reason I upgraded to
v5.5 was to be compatible with the FileMaker application that ran on
my Sony Clie (Palm Pilot clone).
Of course now days I'm practically writing SQL in my sleep, so I'm
not sure how suited FileMaker is to me now anyway.
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Photographer |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| My flickr Photostream |
| http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/ |
Unfortunately it appears it won't work on Mac OS X 10.7. I've been
using FileMaker Pro since '95, but have only run two versions in that
time. I bought v2.1, and later upgraded to v5.5, which won't run on
10.7. It's also one of two reasons I'm still on 10.6.8. Sadly
FileMaker, just like most of the industry, has gotten really crappy
about their upgrade policies.
Pretty sure 7 was never Universal, was it?
9:17 p.m.
On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 11:25 PM -0400 4/25/12, David Riley wrote:
Well, Bento is their "dumbed down" version that's supposed to
make it easy for dumb people to use databases. Basically, it's
FileMaker Access. Every company seems to try to make a crippled
version of their flagship product for the Great Unwashed Masses;
for example, Apple calls theirs Mac OS Lion.
I liked 6 a lot, though. To me, it's one of those Last Great
Versions you see of things, like Word 5.1 or Marathon 2.
6 is the last version I'd use with any willingness. 7 started a
long decline, and I gave up even trying after 8. Maybe their
newer stuff is nicer, but I tried using Bento a few years ago to
do up the envelopes for our wedding invitations, and wrote off
the effort after just an hour or so trying to get it to do
anything useful.
That's a really depressing assessment. Having started with a couple versions of
PC:File, then dBase III, and finally dBase IV, I found FileMaker Pro v2.1 to be really
nice. The only reason I upgraded to v5.5 was to be compatible with the FileMaker
application that ran on my Sony Clie (Palm Pilot clone). Of course now days I'm practically writing SQL in
my sleep, so I'm not sure how suited FileMaker is to me now anyway.
FileMaker is great at what it's good at. The only reason I have
these is for a job I did for a guy who ran a currency-handling
equipment sales and service shop. He ran his entire parts database
out of a system of 5 interlinked FileMaker databases, and it worked
great up through version 6. His entire office staff could use it
pretty easily. Then came 7, and the database format changed, and
they made you change the way you link databases so his old stuff
didn't work. That wasn't long before he decided to sell off the
business, and I'm not 100% sure it was totally coincidental.
- Dave
26 Apr
26 Apr
5:22 a.m.
On 26/04/12 12:17 AM, David Riley wrote:
On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote:
So why upgrade?
(See VAX on reddit thread)
--Toby
At 11:25 PM -0400 4/25/12, David Riley wrote:
Well, Bento is their "dumbed down" version that's supposed to
make it easy for dumb people to use databases. Basically, it's
FileMaker Access. Every company seems to try to make a crippled
version of their flagship product for the Great Unwashed Masses;
for example, Apple calls theirs Mac OS Lion.
I liked 6 a lot, though. To me, it's one of those Last Great
Versions you see of things, like Word 5.1 or Marathon 2.
6 is the last version I'd use with any willingness. 7 started a
long decline, and I gave up even trying after 8. Maybe their
newer stuff is nicer, but I tried using Bento a few years ago to
do up the envelopes for our wedding invitations, and wrote off
the effort after just an hour or so trying to get it to do
anything useful.
That's a really depressing assessment. Having started with a couple versions of
PC:File, then dBase III, and finally dBase IV, I found FileMaker Pro v2.1 to be really
nice. The only reason I upgraded to v5.5 was to be compatible with the FileMaker
application that ran on my Sony Clie (Palm Pilot clone). Of course now days I'm practically writing
SQL in my sleep, so I'm not sure how suited FileMaker is to me now anyway.
FileMaker is great at what it's good at. The only reason I have
these is for a job I did for a guy who ran a currency-handling
equipment sales and service shop. He ran his entire parts database
out of a system of 5 interlinked FileMaker databases, and it worked
great up through version 6. His entire office staff could use it
pretty easily. Then came 7, and the database format changed, and they made you change the way you link databases so his
old stuff
didn't work. That wasn't long before he decided to sell off the
business, and I'm not 100% sure it was totally coincidental.
- Dave
5:35 a.m.
On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:22, Toby Thain <toby at telegraphics.com.au> wrote:
That's what I said. I'm not sure he understood the question.
- Dave
FileMaker is
great at what it's good at. The only reason I have
these is for a job I did for a guy who ran a currency-handling
equipment sales and service shop. He ran his entire parts database
out of a system of 5 interlinked FileMaker databases, and it worked
great up through version 6. His entire office staff could use it
pretty easily. Then came 7, and the database format changed, and
So why upgrade?
(See VAX on reddit thread) 
12:51 a.m.
On 26/04/2012 04:51, Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 11:25 PM -0400 4/25/12, David Riley wrote:
I recently had problems with Filemaker Pro V3 on windows. It does not
seem to like disks larger than 120GB. A friend still runs his Ham Call
Sign database on Filemaker Pro and I was wondered if it was possible to
get one copy of the later version. I am in the UK and want it for a
friend who keeps his Ham call book in a Filemaker Pro and is keeping an
old laptop running mainly for Filemaker Pro.
Dave
G4UGM
On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:11 PM, Cameron Kaiser
wrote:
No, don't think so; it's the first non-Classic version, though. I
recall that it predated the Intel transition by quite a bit, and 8
was the version that offered Universal capability (and pre-packaged
apps, which were kind of cute but never really worked that well).
6 is the last version I'd use with any willingness. 7 started a
long decline, and I gave up even trying after 8. Maybe their
newer stuff is nicer, but I tried using Bento a few years ago to
do up the envelopes for our wedding invitations, and wrote off
the effort after just an hour or so trying to get it to do
anything useful.
That's a really depressing assessment. Having started with a couple
versions of PC:File, then dBase III, and finally dBase IV, I found
FileMaker Pro v2.1 to be really nice. The only reason I upgraded to
v5.5 was to be compatible with the FileMaker application that ran on
my Sony Clie (Palm Pilot clone).
Of course now days I'm practically writing SQL in my sleep, so I'm not
sure how suited FileMaker is to me now anyway.
Zane
Unfortunately it appears it won't work on Mac OS X 10.7. I've been
using FileMaker Pro since '95, but have only run two versions in that
time. I bought v2.1, and later upgraded to v5.5, which won't run on
10.7. It's also one of two reasons I'm still on 10.6.8. Sadly
FileMaker, just like most of the industry, has gotten really crappy
about their upgrade policies.
Pretty sure 7 was never Universal, was it? 
7:42 a.m.
On Wed, 25 Apr 2012, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Of course now days I'm practically writing SQL in
my sleep, so I'm not sure
how suited FileMaker is to me now anyway.
They have a cure for that now. It's called Multi-Value and it will set
you FREEEEEEEEEEeeeee11111!!!oneone. :)
g.
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck.
[Cipher in a.s.r]
7:55 a.m.
At 7:42 AM -0700 4/26/12, Gene Buckle wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2012, Zane H. Healy wrote:
If this is the effect it has on people, I'll stick with SQL. :-)
Multi-Value sounds like it might be related to what I dealt with as a
DBA on a Honeywell DPS-8.
Zane
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| | Photographer |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
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Of course now days I'm practically writing SQL
in my sleep, so I'm
not sure how suited FileMaker is to me now anyway.
They have a cure for that now. It's called Multi-Value and it will
set you FREEEEEEEEEEeeeee11111!!!oneone. :)
g.
8:25 a.m.
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 7:42 AM -0700 4/26/12, Gene Buckle wrote:
Check out http://www.openqm.com or http://www.scarletdme.org - Once you
get into a good MVDB, you'll wonder why you ever wasted a minute bashing
your brain into a pulp against SQL.
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck.
[Cipher in a.s.r]
On Wed, 25 Apr 2012, Zane H. Healy wrote:
If this is the effect it has on people, I'll stick with SQL. :-) Multi-Value
sounds like it might be related to what I dealt with as a DBA on a Honeywell
DPS-8. Of course now days I'm practically writing
SQL in my sleep, so I'm not
sure how suited FileMaker is to me now anyway.
They have a cure for that now. It's called Multi-Value and it will set you
FREEEEEEEEEEeeeee11111!!!oneone. :)
g.
8:45 p.m.
At 8:25 AM -0700 4/26/12, Gene Buckle wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Zane H. Healy wrote:
I see one problem, I tend to enjoy SQL. :-) Besides, MS SQL is the
standard database at work (I'm also inclined to say it's one of the
few good products to come out of MS). I've even used it as the
back-end for apps running on UNIX.
Zane
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| | Photographer |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| My flickr Photostream |
| http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/ |
If this is the effect it has on people, I'll
stick with SQL. :-)
Multi-Value sounds like it might be related to what I dealt with as
a DBA on a Honeywell DPS-8.
Check out http://www.openqm.com or http://www.scarletdme.org - Once
you get into a good MVDB, you'll wonder why you ever wasted a minute
bashing your brain into a pulp against SQL.
9:05 p.m.
On 26/04/12 11:45 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 8:25 AM -0700 4/26/12, Gene Buckle wrote:
Out of Sybase, you mean.
--T
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Zane H. Healy wrote:
I see one problem, I tend to enjoy SQL. :-) Besides, MS SQL is the
standard database at work (I'm also inclined to say it's one of the few
good products to come out of MS). If this is the effect it has on people, I'll
stick with SQL. :-)
Multi-Value sounds like it might be related to what I dealt with as a
DBA on a Honeywell DPS-8.
Check out http://www.openqm.com or http://www.scarletdme.org - Once
you get into a good MVDB, you'll wonder why you ever wasted a minute
bashing your brain into a pulp against SQL. I've even used it as the back-end for
apps running on UNIX.
Zane
11:57 p.m.
On 27/04/2012 04:45, Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 8:25 AM -0700 4/26/12, Gene Buckle wrote:
Didn't they start by buying it from SYBASE?
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Zane H. Healy wrote:
I see one problem, I tend to enjoy SQL. :-) Besides, MS SQL is the
standard database at work (I'm also inclined to say it's one of the
few good products to come out of MS). I've even used it as the
back-end for apps running on UNIX.
If this is the effect it has on people, I'll
stick with SQL. :-)
Multi-Value sounds like it might be related to what I dealt with as
a DBA on a Honeywell DPS-8.
Check out http://www.openqm.com or http://www.scarletdme.org - Once
you get into a good MVDB, you'll wonder why you ever wasted a minute
bashing your brain into a pulp against SQL. Zane
27 Apr
27 Apr
6:52 a.m.
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 8:25 AM -0700 4/26/12, Gene Buckle wrote:
My, your affliction runs deep my friend! :) FYI, it's a good product that
came from SyBase, not MS. :D
g.
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Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck.
[Cipher in a.s.r]
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Zane H. Healy wrote:
I see one problem, I tend to enjoy SQL. :-) Besides, MS SQL is the standard
database at work (I'm also inclined to say it's one of the few good products
to come out of MS). I've even used it as the back-end for apps running on
UNIX. If this is the effect it has on people, I'll
stick with SQL. :-)
Multi-Value sounds like it might be related to what I dealt with as a DBA
on a Honeywell DPS-8.
Check out http://www.openqm.com or http://www.scarletdme.org - Once you get
into a good MVDB, you'll wonder why you ever wasted a minute bashing your
brain into a pulp against SQL.
26 Apr
26 Apr
1:14 p.m.
Of course now
days I'm practically writing SQL in my sleep, so I'm not sure
how suited FileMaker is to me now anyway.
They have a cure for that now. It's called Multi-Value and it will set
you FREEEEEEEEEEeeeee11111!!!oneone. :)
4:19 p.m.
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
OH NO! Pick users! AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! ;)
(Actually, I rather like Pick, I just find SQL relational databases to be
the path of least resistance for most applications.) Ugh. My deepest sympathies.
Try ScarletDME - it's even open source. :)
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck.
[Cipher in a.s.r]
Of course now days I'm practically writing SQL in
my sleep, so I'm not sure
how suited FileMaker is to me now anyway.
They have a cure for that now. It's called Multi-Value and it will set
you FREEEEEEEEEEeeeee11111!!!oneone. :) 
7:16 p.m.
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote:
Shameless plug? ;oD
You bet!
g.
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Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck.
[Cipher in a.s.r]
(Actually, I rather like Pick, I just find SQL
relational databases to be
the path of least resistance for most applications.)
Ugh. My deepest sympathies.
Try ScarletDME - it's even open source. :)
5:24 p.m.
OH NO! Pick
users! AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! ;)
(Actually, I rather like Pick, I just find SQL relational databases to be
the path of least resistance for most applications.)
Ugh. My deepest sympathies. Try ScarletDME - it's even open source. :)
7:18 p.m.
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
geneb.org? Sounds suspicious. ;)
How easy is it to connect to other things? It seems like there should be
a way for, say, Perl DBD/DBI to talk to it.
There's a client library that you can use to talk to it. I think there's
a PHP binding as well, but I haven't worked with it.
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck.
[Cipher in a.s.r]
OH NO! Pick users! AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! ;)
(Actually, I rather like Pick, I just find SQL relational databases to be
the path of least resistance for most applications.)
Ugh. My deepest sympathies. Try ScarletDME - it's even open source. :) 
9:19 a.m.
On Apr 25, 2012, at 7:59 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 9:28 PM -0400 4/25/12, David Riley wrote:
I ran into this with Quicken for the Mac. They hadn't produced an Intel version
(except for the abysmal Quicken Essentials for Mac?don't get me started). I
knew about this problem with 10.7* and finally ended up creating a VM to run 10.6.x
whose only job was to run Quicken. After all of the outcry, Intuit *finally* produced
an Intel native version of Quicken for Mac 2007.
* I tried all sorts of different personal accounting SW and none of them met my
needs except for Quicken. I even went so far as to get Quicken 2011 for Windows
and went to import my data (going back to '95). I'm amazed that two products
from
the same company (that are supposedly solving the same problem?just on 2 different
OS's) were so incompatible. After many hours on the phone with support (most of that
with level 3?who aren't supposed to be dummies) it was deemed impossible!
At one point I did manage to get the transactions imported, but all 8000+ transactions
had the same date?not particularly useful!
*sigh*
TTFN - Guy
I have two NIB (sealed) copies of Filemaker Pro
6, one for
Windows and one for Mac. I additionally have one opened
Unfortunately it appears it won't work on Mac OS X 10.7. I've been
using FileMaker Pro since '95, but have only run two versions in that
time. I bought v2.1, and later upgraded to v5.5, which won't run on
10.7. It's also one of two reasons I'm still on 10.6.8. Sadly
FileMaker, just like most of the industry, has gotten really crappy
about their upgrade policies.
I'll probably end up dumping my databases and importing them into an
Open Source db of some sort. Some of these db's have been bouncing
around on my systems since dBase III on my Kaypro 2000 back in the
80's.
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