-----Original Message----- From: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> It's not that either. It's lazy or just plain lack of knowledge. outlook express and be told to use plain text (not rtf or html) and far as I know I'm doing just that from a NT4 system. It annoying to me as a NT/OE user as RTF and html will alter termprorary settings for fonts and all when I don't want that all due to someone who does not know. Allison