13 Apr
2001
13 Apr
'01
8:26 a.m.
There were a couple of video capture systems for the PDP-11 series, at USC
in the image processing lab we built one that digitized a monochrome camera
signal. It worked ok, but even better was the Micron drum scanner (boy I
wish I had that puppy hooked up to my 11/34!)
You can of course get a cheap digital camera (about $500 will get you one
that does 80% of what you need) or you can spend $49 on a scanner and using
a regular process camera get nice high resolution pictures of your
equipment. Further you can hook some scanners up to classic computers to
keep it "all in the family" so to speak, take pictures on a classic camera
(I love the Leica) and be even better.
--Chuck
At 12:36 PM 4/13/2001 -0400, anonymous wrote:
Indeed. I have some machines I want to put up pics of
here. All I have is
an inexpensive Sony CCD camera that only does NTSC video, however. My TV
tuner card has a capture function, but the camera has low resolution
and limited dynamic range, and is not very well suited for
detailed pictures of hardware, circuit boards, etc.
I'm getting a better card, probably an ATI AIW, and I'm open to
recoomendations on a better camera that isn't too expensive. I could go
with a digital camera and a card reader, but I also have a security
application here that requires video capture.
jbdigriz
13 Apr
13 Apr
8:57 a.m.
New subject: Photo equimpent for hardware web pics (Re: Technico (Re: TI Minicomputer?))
keep it "all in the family" so to speak, take
pictures on a classic
camera (I love the Leica) and be even better.
I've got a nice medium format Zeiss Ikon Ikoflex 1a. It
takes absolutely beautiful pictures in bright sunlight. Too bad
rolls of 120 film are getting more difficult to locate, especially in
color. The last time I shot with it I could only locate B/W film
locally. My normal-use camera, a Canon A-1, falls well within the
10year rule for the list, though you'd be hard pressed to call it's
exposure system a general purpose computer. The Ikoflex was
manufactured in the mid-50's.
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Nice... Old cameras are so much more 'solid'
feeling than the modern
ones. And they take darn good photographs :-).
The optics on the Ikoflex are very nice as well...this one
has the Tessar 75mm 1:3.5 taking lens. I'd love to find the leather
case for it. Another cool thing is that the ASA chart printed on the
viewfinder hood is done in German.
Actually, thinking about it, I have a classic _digital_
camera. It's in
no sense portable, though. It's a box containing a linear CCD and a
motor/leadscrew to move it across the image. And some driver electronics.
There's bayonet mount for a Nikon-type lens on the front and a DB25 on
the back. That connects to a PERQ (!), with a special interface card in
it. I am sure it must be at least 10 years old...
That sounds interesting...I'd think the resolution would
leave a bit to be desired though. It certainly sounds cool.
Over here, 120 film is still used professionally. The
high-street camera
shops don't stock it, of course, but there are plenty of places where you
can get it.
I would imagine that 120 roll film is more available up here
in the Washington D.C. area as well. Certainly more places to check.
Jeff
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Zeiss lenses are generally pretty good :-).
Yes, the Zeiss Tessar lenses are almost legendary in their
quality. Zeiss optics can be found on a lot of medical equipment
too. One of my favorite lenses to use with my A-1 is a Kiron
70-210mm macro zoom. It's about 15 years old at this point but it's
barrel movement is smooth as silk. When it was new in the mid 80's,
it cost us nearly $400.
It is, of course monochrome only, but the CCD output is digitised to an 8
bit signal, which is corrected in the camera (8*8 multiplier chip and an
EPROM lookup table) for the sensitivity of each CCD pixel. Since it is
only useable for static subjects (it takes a few seconds for the CCD to
move across the image), there's nothing to stop me taking 3 pictures,
each with a suitable colour filter in front of the lens, and then
combining them in software if I need colour.
That's how the DigiView works on the Amiga, though instead of
the supplied color wheel and a video camera to capture the images I
use a good quality VCR or 8mm camcorder, good quality cables, and a
color splitter. I still have to do the 3 seperate captures though.
Of course, the DigiView doesn't offer anywhere near the resolution
that you're talking about either but for 1985 it was pretty
impressive.
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3:16 p.m.
New subject: Photo equimpent for hardware web pics (Re: Technico (Re: TI
At 08:06 PM 4/13/2001 -0400, Jeff wrote:
That's how the DigiView works on the Amiga, though
instead of the
supplied color wheel and a video
camera to capture the images I use a good quality VCR
or 8mm camcorder,
good quality cables, and a color
splitter. I still have to do the 3 seperate captures
though. Of course,
the DigiView doesn't offer anywhere > near the resolution
that you're
talking about either but for 1985 it was pretty impressive.
Oh yeah! I even wrote an article on the Digiview for BYTE magazine back in
the day. I had completely forgotten about that. I bet I could build an
interface for my VAX that would digitize a video signal one pixel at a time
and then display it using the VT340's SIXEL graphics. How cool is that...
Dang another project to add to the list, at least I got the GKS stuff
running :-)
--Chuck
14 Apr
14 Apr
4:02 a.m.
New subject: Photo equimpent for hardware web pics (Re: Technico (Re: TI
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Jeff Hellige wrote:
That's how the DigiView works on the Amiga,
though instead of
the supplied color wheel and a video camera to capture the images I
use a good quality VCR or 8mm camcorder, good quality cables, and a
color splitter. I still have to do the 3 seperate captures though.
Of course, the DigiView doesn't offer anywhere near the resolution
that you're talking about either but for 1985 it was pretty
impressive.
When we (SUGA) took pictures of our old hideout, we used a Canon ION
still video camera (weren't they hip ten years ago) for the snaps and then
captured them using a VLab in my Amiga. The VLab can snap an FBAS image in
real time and split it, so you won't need the colour wheel. I've also got
a Vidi Amiga, though, with accompanying colour splitter, but haven't tried
it as of yet. Doesn't seem as compelling with slow-scan equipment. =)
When we documented our new place (http://www.sua.f2s.com/fotografier/), we
used a digital video camera, but its snap functions left a lot ot be
desired, especially considering that the images were digitally
transferred. When compared to the ION snaps grabbed through composite,
they looked just as bad, if not worse.
I still prefer paper, though. It's fairly high-resoluting and easy to
display to people without computers. =)
5:15 a.m.
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At 08:06 PM 4/13/01 -0400, you wrote:
That's how the DigiView works on the Amiga,
though instead of the supplied color wheel and a video camera to capture the images I use
a good quality VCR or 8mm camcorder, good quality cables, and a color splitter.
Once being a Cool Friend of NewTek, I have in my collection
an *un-potted* DigiView from the production line. All others
were chip-sanded and epoxy-potted. I've also been in the
garage where it was invented.
- John
11:40 a.m.
New subject: NewTek, DigiView (Was:Photo equimpent,and a bunch of other stuff before that)
John Foust wrote:
At 08:06 PM 4/13/01 -0400, you wrote:
Was that the garage of Tim Jenison? I know he was one of the guys behind NewTek.
Quick quiz: What piece of Tandy Color Computer software did Tim Jenison author before
doing all that Amiga stuff?
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That's how the DigiView works on the
Amiga, though instead of the supplied color wheel and a video camera to capture the images
I use a good quality VCR or 8mm camcorder, good quality cables, and a color splitter.
Once being a Cool Friend of NewTek, I have in my collection
an *un-potted* DigiView from the production line. All others
were chip-sanded and epoxy-potted. I've also been in the
garage where it was invented.
- John 
16 Apr
16 Apr
4:33 a.m.
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--- John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> wrote:
At 08:06 PM 4/13/01 -0400, somebody else wrote:
> That's how the DigiView works on the Amiga, though instead of the
> supplied color wheel and a video camera to capture the images I use a good
> quality VCR or 8mm camcorder, good quality cables, and a color splitter.
Nice if you've got a color splitter, but doesn't a B&W camera produce a
crisper image than a color camera? That only matters for print digitizing,
of course. You would have been able to digitize video stills, which was
a big deal back then.
Once being a Cool Friend of NewTek, I have in my
collection
an *un-potted* DigiView from the production line. All others
were chip-sanded and epoxy-potted. I've also been in the
garage where it was invented.
That's a neat artifact. So... tell us... what chips _did_ they use?
I have a fun toy that's good for the _other_ way - a Polaroid video
image copy unit - it has a RAM capture buffer (just hit "freeze"), a
B&W video tube (no shadow mask, so nice, sharp output image) a color wheel,
just like a DigiView, and a quick disconnect camera - one Polaroid (uses
expensive medical imaging film), one 35mm (loves ASA 100 slide film). It
takes >5 seconds to run the color wheel and snap all four pictures. I've
used it mostly to make my own slides on the Amiga for lectures. Got most
of it at the Dayton Hamfest three or four years ago. It had the 35mm
camera and no control panel. I picked another one up, with the Polaroid
camera, from a A/V surplus dealer, just to get the control panel. Now if
only I could find a source of the Polaroid film below $20/pack.
-ethan
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7:18 a.m.
New subject: Photo equimpent for hardware web pics (Re: Technico (Re: TI
On Monday, April 16, 2001, at 09:33 AM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
Nice if you've got a color splitter, but
doesn't a B&W camera produce a
crisper image than a color camera? That only matters for print
digitizing,
of course. You would have been able to digitize video stills, which was
a big deal back then.
The cameras intended for use with the DigiView's colorwheel were
B&W Considering that it's captures were done in 4096 colors, it was
pretty advanced for it's time. Other than expensive high-end stuff, few
video cards were even capable of displaying to that depth. It would be
nearly two years before the PS/2 would introduce VGA and it's 256 color
mode in the same resolution.
Jeff
9:58 a.m.
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--- Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
On Monday, April 16, 2001, at 09:33 AM, Ethan Dicks
wrote:
When I mentioned "video stills", I meant that it was something he could do
special because he had a color splitter, not just because he had a Digiview.
I remember that the standard camera used with it was B&W. I had one back
then (always wanted the DigiDroid). Still have it somewhere. That's why I
made the distinction between print and video imageing. Sorry if I was verbally
ambiguous.
Nice if you've got a color splitter, but
doesn't a B&W camera produce a
crisper image than a color camera? That only matters for print
digitizing,
of course. You would have been able to digitize video stills, which was
a big deal back then.
The cameras intended for use with the DigiView's colorwheel were
B&W Considering that it's captures were done in 4096
colors, it was
pretty advanced for it's time. Other than expensive high-end stuff, few
video cards were even capable of displaying to that depth.
Unless you had an Amiga. :-) I don't think I got 16-bit color on a PeeCee
until 1996. A video card with >256K was too expensive for my tastes.
It would be nearly two years before the PS/2 would
introduce VGA and it's
256 color mode in the same resolution.
That's what we used to use as an argument for why it was better to own an
Amiga than a PC at home in 1986. The general response was, "so what; who
needs colors for a spreadsheet or a text file; that's just for games". This,
like so many other cool technologies that were invented elsewhere than the PC
world, was disdained by the mainstream until they could get it; then it was
the latest cool thing (stereo sound, video animation that didn't judder,
networking built-in by default (Mac/LocalTalk), GUI/mouse included by default
(Amiga/Mac/some Ataris), video coprocessor/graphics accelerator, 3.5" floppies,
common peripheral bus (ADB before USB), >640K RAM (wait... they _did_ want that
before they could get it ;-), Plug-n-Play not Plug-n-Pray (Amiga AUTOCONFIG),
bootable CD-ROM (Mac, SPARC, etc.)
I'm sure I missed some.
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New subject: Photo equimpent for hardware web pics (Re: Technico (Re: TI
On Monday, April 16, 2001, at 02:58 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
As you can probably tell from the number of times I mention them, I
rather like Amiga's. I remember doing a side/side comparision between
Mean-18 and Jack Nicholas golf games on the PC and a similar game on the
Amiga (don't recall which one but we had it running on an A500 at the
time). This was in 1988 and there was absolutely no contest. Not only
were the graphics much better but the Amiga game allowed shots and stuff
that you couldn't do in the PC games. One of my all time favorite games
was 'Marble Madness'. It's too bad the Amiga stagnated as it did,
though the smaller developers did an awesome job trying to keep it
going. I miss my A3000.
As for the PC, it has some nice hardware, but nothing I'd say was
revolutionary. It's weighted down too much by all the legacy stuff to
truly break new ground.
Jeff
It would be
nearly two years before the PS/2 would introduce VGA and
it's
256 color mode in the same resolution.
That's what we used to use as an argument for why it was better to own
an
Amiga than a PC at home in 1986. The general response was, "so what;
who 
2:51 p.m.
New subject: Which machine/model should I get? Apple
One of the questions never well enough answered to suit me, is which
machine/model should I get as a "first" machine of that brand. Not which is
rarest, oldest, etc., but what is fairly easy to get in working condition
and makes a good representitive of the brand and/or era.
I would really like to see something like this as a guide to each brand.
For Apple I can kick things off with a few suggestions. "*"notes best in
class, "***" best overall.
Apple II series
IIc+, Its small, cheap, has both 1 mhz and 4 mhz modes, and with a couple
of the correct floppy drives it should run anything and make copies etc. of
anything (up to IIgs specific software).
* IIgs (rom 3), the gs should support most earlier Apple II software, plus
it makes a good bridge to the mac era machines with ADB and localtalk
support. The IIgs also has unique sound abilities, and is really about the
only choice short of emulation to run the later IIgs specific software.
Mac (early)
* SE/30 (except I am not sure "all" the early mac software will run on a
SE/30, comments?) This is a small powerfull machine, not too difficult to
put on a network.
Mac color
* IIci, small fast with fpu, 3 open nubus slots, basic video on the
motherboard, cheap common memory.
Mac 68040
Quadra 700, same size as IIci, but with a 25 Mhz 68040. This machine
defines the minimum requirements for a lot of software. No internal CD
support.
*** Quadra 650, full size mac, but uses cheap 72 pin memory, 33 mhz full
68040, and is easy to find and sells cheaply. Option for internal CD
Quadra 950, full tower chassis, but uses 16 x 30 pins simms. Otherwise this
is very comparable to the Quadra650, with the choice based mostly on size
and what you find first at the best price. Option for internal CD, but rare
and expensive to add on.
PowerMac
* 7500, desktop size, cheapest option that is G4 upgradable. A solid, well
supported mac.
Choices made factor in cost, size, ease of use and repair, and how well
they represent the qualities of the brand. For the full mac experience,
run two large monitors side by side. Chances are good I will update this
after I get some comments.
4:17 p.m.
New subject: Which machine/model should I get? Apple
On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Mike Ford wrote:
Apple II series
IIc+, Its small, cheap, has both 1 mhz and 4 mhz modes, and with a couple
of the correct floppy drives it should run anything and make copies etc. of
anything (up to IIgs specific software).
* IIgs (rom 3), the gs should support most earlier Apple II software, plus
it makes a good bridge to the mac era machines with ADB and localtalk
support. The IIgs also has unique sound abilities, and is really about the
only choice short of emulation to run the later IIgs specific software.
And it will also accept any peripheral card made for the Apple II line of
computers (as far as I know, I'm sure there are some cards which won't
work in a GS).
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13 Apr
10 a.m.
New subject: SETCOLOR info found
I was doing some reorganizing of my computer room (an ongiong
project!) and I came across a note stuck inside of a box of disks,
which I hadn't noticed before. One of my TRS-80 Model 2000's came
from MISOSYS owner Roy Soltoff after it had sat around
for a number
of years after he didn't enter the Model 2000 market. He had
bought
if for a development system. Anyway, the note is from a John Harrell
offering him a utility for the machine called SETCOLOR. He states
that he had offered it to 80-Micro but that they weren't interested
in it since they didn't have an interest in the MS-DOS world. He
also gives considerable info on how the utility works. Basically it
patches the IO.SYS file so that programs display a system-wide choice
of colors for foreground, background, and high intensity versions of
both. It's dated 29 March 1985. The disk was stuck behind my MIX-C
and ED/ASM-86 disks.
Jeff
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10:42 a.m.
New subject: SETCOLOR info found
John Harrell was a prolific writer/programmer who published most of his work
in 80 Micro. His stuff was always top-notch. I don't recall SETCOLOR. 80
Micro did eventually cover the Tandy 1000/2000, so he must have submitted
the program shortly after the 2000's release.
--Mike
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To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 3:00 PM
Subject: SETCOLOR info found
I was doing some reorganizing of my computer room (an
ongiong
project!) and I came across a note stuck inside of a box of disks,
which I hadn't noticed before. One of my TRS-80 Model 2000's came
from MISOSYS owner Roy Soltoff after it had sat around for a number
of years after he didn't enter the Model 2000 market. He had bought
if for a development system. Anyway, the note is from a John Harrell
offering him a utility for the machine called SETCOLOR. He states
that he had offered it to 80-Micro but that they weren't interested
in it since they didn't have an interest in the MS-DOS world. He
also gives considerable info on how the utility works. Basically it
patches the IO.SYS file so that programs display a system-wide choice
of colors for foreground, background, and high intensity versions of
both. It's dated 29 March 1985. The disk was stuck behind my MIX-C
and ED/ASM-86 disks.
Jeff
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12:42 p.m.
New subject: SETCOLOR info found
I recall seeing the odd reference to the 2000, much more on
the 1000, in the later 80 Micro's. I may even have a couple of
issues left around here from the late 80's when I was reading both it
and PCM regularly. John's letter shows him as a Lt. Commander, USN
at the time living up here in D.C.
Jeff
John Harrell was a prolific writer/programmer who
published most of his work
in 80 Micro. His stuff was always top-notch. I don't recall SETCOLOR. 80
Micro did eventually cover the Tandy 1000/2000, so he must have submitted
the program shortly after the 2000's release.
--Mike
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2:15 p.m.
New subject: SETCOLOR info found
The 2000, as I'm sure you know, was a relatively short-lived,
not-quite-PC-compatible. By the time 80 took the Tandy DOS systems
seriously, the 1000 was the hot system. A lot of TRS-80 folks upgraded to
the 1000; very few to the 2000.
John, if I remember correctly, was involved with weapons systems on nuclear
submarines--stuff that he could never discuss with civilians.
--Mike
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From: "Jeff Hellige" <jhellige(a)earthlink.net>
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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: SETCOLOR info found
I recall seeing the odd reference to the 2000, much
more on
the 1000, in the later 80 Micro's. I may even have a couple of
issues left around here from the late 80's when I was reading both it
and PCM regularly. John's letter shows him as a Lt. Commander, USN
at the time living up here in D.C.
Jeff
>John Harrell was a prolific writer/programmer who published most of his
work
in 80 Micro.
His stuff was always top-notch. I don't recall SETCOLOR. 80
Micro did eventually cover the Tandy 1000/2000, so he must have submitted
the program shortly after the 2000's release.
--Mike
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3:09 p.m.
New subject: SETCOLOR info found
The 2000, as I'm sure you know, was a relatively
short-lived,
not-quite-PC-compatible. By the time 80 took the Tandy DOS systems
seriously, the 1000 was the hot system. A lot of TRS-80 folks upgraded to
the 1000; very few to the 2000.
The machine was only manufactured for about 9 months. In
fact, it was already on the way out by the time a lot of the reviews
started showing up in the magazines. It'd be interesting to know how
many were manufactured...it'd be a nice thing to add to the FAQ.
Generally though, the people that the 2000 was geared to were a
different group (business users) than those that the 1000 series was
geared towards (home users). The 2000 was an excellent buy
considering it's capabilities.
Jeff
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11:22 a.m.
New subject: Photo equimpent for hardware web pics (Re: Technico (Re: TI Minicomputer?))
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Jeff Hellige wrote:
I never was much of a shutterbug, but I'm seeing a need now. I'll trundle
off to do some research on cameras instead of cluttering up the list
further. Thanks everyone for the input.
jbdigriz
keep it
"all in the family" so to speak, take pictures on a classic
camera (I love the Leica) and be even better.
I've got a nice medium format Zeiss Ikon Ikoflex 1a. It
takes absolutely beautiful pictures in bright sunlight. Too bad
rolls of 120 film are getting more difficult to locate, especially in
color. The last time I shot with it I could only locate B/W film
locally. My normal-use camera, a Canon A-1, falls well within the
10year rule for the list, though you'd be hard pressed to call it's
exposure system a general purpose computer. The Ikoflex was
manufactured in the mid-50's.
Jeff
11:58 p.m.
New subject: Photo equimpent for hardware web pics (Re: Technico (Re: TI Minicomputer?))
Hi,
Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> said:
Find a professional camera store, 120 film is used a lot professionally.
Hasselblads etc are still popular, and many new cameras have been
introduced recently by other manufacturers - Bronica have just produced
a rangefinder one for example. I have a Bronica S2, a Rolleiflex F and a
Russian Lubitel - all over 10 yrs old, as well as some old folders.
keep it
"all in the family" so to speak, take pictures on a classic
camera (I love the Leica) and be even better.
I've got a nice medium format Zeiss Ikon Ikoflex 1a. It
takes absolutely beautiful pictures in bright sunlight. Too bad
rolls of 120 film are getting more difficult to locate, especially in
color. The last time I shot with it I could only locate B/W film
locally. My normal-use camera, a Canon A-1, falls well within
the
10year rule for the list,
Me too - one of the best cameras ever...
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14 Apr
14 Apr
3:45 a.m.
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a rangefinder one for example. I have a Bronica S2, a
Rolleiflex F and a
Russian Lubitel - all over 10 yrs old, as well as some old folders.
I've never used one of the Roli's, but based on the ones I've
seen, they certainly look like nice cameras. Very similar to the
Ikoflex.
Jeff
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8:12 a.m.
New subject: Photo equimpent for hardware web pics (Re: Technico (Re: TI Minicomputer?))
a rangefinder
one for example. I have a Bronica S2, a Rolleiflex F and a
Russian Lubitel - all over 10 yrs old, as well as some old folders.
I've never used one of the Roli's, but based on the ones I've
seen, they certainly look like nice cameras. Very similar to the
Ikoflex.
11:34 a.m.
New subject: Photo equimpent for hardware web pics (Re: Technico (Re: TI Minicomputer?))
a rangefinder one for example. I have a Bronica S2, a
Rolleiflex F and a
Russian Lubitel - all over 10 yrs old, as well as some old folders.
I've never used one of the Roli's, but based on the ones I've
seen, they certainly look like nice cameras. Very similar to the
Ikoflex.
13 Apr
13 Apr
9:44 a.m.
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Chuck McManis wrote:
There were a couple of video capture systems for the
PDP-11 series, at USC
in the image processing lab we built one that digitized a monochrome camera
signal. It worked ok, but even better was the Micron drum scanner (boy I
wish I had that puppy hooked up to my 11/34!)
You can of course get a cheap digital camera (about $500 will get you one
that does 80% of what you need) or you can spend $49 on a scanner and using
a regular process camera get nice high resolution pictures of your
equipment. Further you can hook some scanners up to classic computers to
keep it "all in the family" so to speak, take pictures on a classic camera
(I love the Leica) and be even better.
--Chuck
Yes, somehow I trust chemistry over bits, myself. I have, for instance
gotten some extremely detailed scans of reasonably flat circuit boards by
placing them directly on a flatbed scanner. It doesn't pay to dwell on
the philosophical ramifications of the resulting "picture", though.
I second the rest of your sentiments as well, and will get a SCSI scanner
with a transparency adapter at some point. I got this Acer 620U mainly to
test out USB under Linux. It was inexpensive and good quality as
well. There were some patches I had to apply to get SANE working with it,
and you have to get a separate firmware uploader for Linux that somebody
has posted on the net, but it works extremely well.
jbdigriz
16 Apr
16 Apr
7:55 a.m.
keep it "all in the family" so to speak,
take pictures on a classiccamera
(I love the Leica) and be even better.
With the Summicron lens, there is nothing nicer. But I never got around
to "upgrading" to the "new" models with bayonet lens mounts.
If anyone wants a project for the ultimate way to photograph small parts,
like mice and disk drive parts, . . .
I need to part with my Fujinon Holography Camera
http://www.xenosoft.com/fujinon/MVC-001F.JPG through
http://www.xenosoft.com/fujinon/MVC-012F.JPG
about $100, local pickup only - I do NOT want to deal with shipping.
I don't know how old it is, but I got it used 20 years ago.
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