2 Feb
1999
2 Feb
'99
6:11 a.m.
There is an 1130 site on the web at
<http://www.mindspring.com/~hshubs/1130/> which has the functional
characteristics manual.
Thanks, Hans, for pointing this out. None of my web searches had found
this site.
Does anyone know of any other IBM 1130's in North America? I'd go a fair
distance to see one again.
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2 Feb
2 Feb
7:37 a.m.
New subject: More info available? Was: Re: 1130 has been claimed
Upon the date 11:11 AM 2/2/99 -0600, John Dykstra said something like:
Yes John, this is one of the pet peeves some of us have who are hunting for
obscure info like this. I'd found this mindspring site recently through one
of the metasearch engines called "Dogpile" (Dogpile??? Why the heck that
name?) set to 'IBM 1130'.
Looking again today on Dogpile, several different Computerwoche pages from
1975-77 magazine issues and a Brazilian page come up which may have photos
<http://osse.inf.ufrgs.br/ > [but this .br site seems to be down :( ]
Also, a page of 1130 comments is at
<http://www.awa.com/softlock/mrr/mycomp/ibm1130.htm>.
This fellow's page has some anecdotal memories, four photos and some op
codes he recalled (wish the h*** I could remember stuff like that after
even 25 _days_!): <http://www.kaibab.org/bob/ibm1130.htm>
Seems these metasearch engines can dig a bit deeper and root out the Good
Stuff (tm)! :-) :-) I have to stop this now as I'm wasting too much time.
Takes too dang long checking all these hits using a 48k bps copper connection.
There is an
1130 site on the web at
<http://www.mindspring.com/~hshubs/1130/> which has the functional
characteristics manual.
Thanks, Hans, for pointing this out. None of my web searches had found this site.
Does anyone know of any other IBM 1130's in North America? I'd go a fair
distance to see one again.
I wonder if any of the webpage owners found in this search may know of
something 1130 laying about at a college or company?
Regards, Chris
Can't get over that Dogpile name :)
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Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/
8:34 a.m.
New subject: More info available? Was: Re: 1130 has been claimed
Another thing to look for when searching for IBM 1130 information
is the Meta 4.
The Meta 4 (from Digital Scientific) was a clone of the
IBM 1130, made in San Diego (ok, maybe Del Mar or Sorrento
Valley area) around 1970. IIRC it was called an 1130 clone, but
actually had the extra instruction(s) that would really make it an 1800
clone.
There's an article on it at:
http://www.cowo.de/archiv/1976/15/7615c064.html
It was this machine, at UCSD, that I wrote SPACEWAR on in
1970, inspired by the article in Analog SF magazine. We had an
Evans & Sutherland vector graphic display, and some kind of home
brew sound (using Wavetek wave generators?). I still have a listing
of the FORTRAN source for this SPACEWAR somewhere.
I used the console switches as the controls, and had the usual
gravity, hyperwarp (unreliable, of course...using it too often would
get you killed). Someone added random twinkling stars at one point.
We also had a computer-assisted targeting option for the second
spaceship, which slowed things down but aided new players.
I remember that the Meta 4 had firmware that was implemented on
boards about 1 foot by 1 foot, with little copper squares of foil about
the 1/4" by 1/4" ...indicating 1/0 by presence/absence. One problem
was that the squares would sometimes lift up a bit, so we'd take out
the boards and press them down again.
I remember we also had APL, on a removable disk cartridge.
Stan Sieler
sieler(a)allegro.com
9:21 a.m.
New subject: More info available? Was: Re: 1130 has been claimed
Upon the date 11:34 AM 2/2/99 -0800, ss(a)allegro.com said something like:
Another thing to look for when searching for IBM 1130
information
is the Meta 4.
Yes, little bits and pieces of info can be found referring to the 1130 and
1800 when checking the Meta 4 search hits. Anything to add to the 1130
information already pieced together. For example (and you non-German
readers out there please forgive me) here's a page telling of the coming
advancement of Meta 4 machines into Germany and France after the first
European installation in London:
http://www.computerwoche.de/archiv/1976/20/7620c018.html. The 400 1130 and
1800 systems will be replaced by them. That Computerwoche archive is a
great resource for news tidbits on older gear. Wish more American trade
journals would do this (HP Journal does this already, I think.)
The Meta 4 (from Digital Scientific) was a clone of the
IBM 1130, made in San Diego (ok, maybe Del Mar or Sorrento
In fact, the Computerwoche article above maintains it is San Diego. I've
seen San Diego in other Meta 4 references I've found like the one Stan
offers below.
Valley area) around 1970. IIRC it was called an 1130
clone, but
actually had the extra instruction(s) that would really make it an 1800
clone.
There's an article on it at:
http://www.cowo.de/archiv/1976/15/7615c064.html
It was this machine, at UCSD, that I wrote SPACEWAR on in
1970, inspired by the article in Analog SF magazine. We had an
Evans & Sutherland vector graphic display, and some kind of home
brew sound (using Wavetek wave generators?). I still have a listing
of the FORTRAN source for this SPACEWAR somewhere.
I used the console switches as the controls, and had the usual
gravity, hyperwarp (unreliable, of course...using it too often would
get you killed). Someone added random twinkling stars at one point.
We also had a computer-assisted targeting option for the second
spaceship, which slowed things down but aided new players.
I remember that the Meta 4 had firmware that was implemented on
boards about 1 foot by 1 foot, with little copper squares of foil about
the 1/4" by 1/4" ...indicating 1/0 by presence/absence. One problem
was that the squares would sometimes lift up a bit, so we'd take out
the boards and press them down again.
I remember we also had APL, on a removable disk cartridge.
In the pages I've seen so far, the 1130 is said to have a max of 16KWord of
memory but my professors at school were bragging about our machine having
32K of memory (in 1972). Was there in fact an upgrade to 32K _words_ or
were they simply getting 32K bytes and 16K words confoozed? Remember, this
was all quite new to these older age professors then when few
backwater-area colleges our size even had a computer.
Regards, Chris
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Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/
6:55 p.m.
New subject: More info available? Was: Re: 1130 has been claimed
Christian Fandt wrote:
In the pages I've seen so far, the 1130 is said to
have a max of 16KWord of
memory but my professors at school were bragging about our machine having
32K of memory (in 1972). Was there in fact an upgrade to 32K _words_ or
were they simply getting 32K bytes and 16K words confoozed? Remember, this
was all quite new to these older age professors then when few
backwater-area colleges our size even had a computer.
3 Feb
3 Feb
3:38 a.m.
New subject: More info available? Was: Re: 1130 has been claimed
At 06:55 AM 2/3/99 +0100, you wrote:
Christian Fandt wrote:
> In the pages I've seen so far, the 1130 is said to have a max of 16KWord of
> memory but my professors at school were bragging about our machine having
> 32K of memory (in 1972). Was there in fact an upgrade to 32K _words_ or
There were also third party mods to add even more memory. I installed
some of them (too) many years ago. I remember installing several with 96K
words and I think there were larger sizes available. No I don't have any
manuals or parts still.
Joe
2 Feb
2 Feb
8:48 a.m.
New subject: More info available? Was: Re: 1130 has been claimed
Christian Fandt wrote:
I wonder if any of the webpage owners found in this search may know of
something 1130 laying about at a college or company?
When you say "something" 1130 lying around, are you talking hardware,
software, docs, or ????. I have quite a number of 1130 software manuals,
and quite possibly some punched card decks burried around here that I
acquired from the estate of someone who used to work and program at IBM.
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