4 Feb
2001
4 Feb
'01
8:43 p.m.
Okay, I picked up quite a haul for $20:
* Commodore 64 in almost-new looking condition, original box
* 1541 Disk drive, in original box (but no disk drive manual :(
* 1525 Printer, in box
* Programmer's Reference Guide
* User's Guide
* Assorted software and disks
* VicModem
* Two joysticks
* All cables
Anyways, hooked it up, wrote a few BASIC programs, ran a couple
of the programs supplied, cool.
Now the question is, where on earth will I find some key
programs -- mostly games (after all, games were its specialty!)
but I REALLY want a 6502 assembler like Merlin, and to find
connectors to fit the cartridge slot to hang some custom hardware
off of and develop driver code for. I'll be careful. :)
And if I find it somewhere on the 'net, how to get it into
the C64? Has anyone solved that one?
I know it's got an RS232 port, so perhaps I could write a small
BASIC program to bootstrap in the program at low speed and develop
something like an Xmodem download with the downloaded assembler.
Just wondering if anyone has
a better way to get software from 'net to C64, and knows a good
source for same. Maybe a cave full of cartridges like the
Atari has exists out there... :)
-- Ross
5 Feb
5 Feb
5:37 a.m.
I don't have my 128D up (still packed from a move 2 yrs ago) but I have
links to some Commode-ore sites that have info, files, etc and one of them
is a browser (text based) that is supposed to work out on the internet with
a commodore and modem. I'm sure that I saw mention of a way to have the
program mailed to you on a C64 format floppy or to a BBS that you could use
a common program to download it from.
Again, it's been a couple years since I broke mine out but I know there are
all sorts of Commodore sites and files on the net. The term/name Brain seems
to come to mind...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Ross Archer
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 1:44 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: C64 question
Okay, I picked up quite a haul for $20:
* Commodore 64 in almost-new looking condition, original box
* 1541 Disk drive, in original box (but no disk drive manual :(
* 1525 Printer, in box
* Programmer's Reference Guide
* User's Guide
* Assorted software and disks
* VicModem
* Two joysticks
* All cables
Anyways, hooked it up, wrote a few BASIC programs, ran a couple
of the programs supplied, cool.
Now the question is, where on earth will I find some key
programs -- mostly games (after all, games were its specialty!)
but I REALLY want a 6502 assembler like Merlin, and to find
connectors to fit the cartridge slot to hang some custom hardware
off of and develop driver code for. I'll be careful. :)
And if I find it somewhere on the 'net, how to get it into
the C64? Has anyone solved that one?
I know it's got an RS232 port, so perhaps I could write a small
BASIC program to bootstrap in the program at low speed and develop
something like an Xmodem download with the downloaded assembler.
Just wondering if anyone has
a better way to get software from 'net to C64, and knows a good
source for same. Maybe a cave full of cartridges like the
Atari has exists out there... :)
-- Ross
7:48 a.m.
I don't have my 128D up (still packed from a move
2 yrs ago) but I have
links to some Commode-ore sites that have info, files, etc and one of them
is a browser (text based) that is supposed to work out on the internet with
a commodore and modem. I'm sure that I saw mention of a way to have the
program mailed to you on a C64 format floppy or to a BBS that you could use
a common program to download it from.
<author pricks up ears>
Are you referring to HyperLink?
http://www.armory.com/%7Espectre/cwi/hl/web.html
Coming out in full release in the very near future.
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7 Feb
7 Feb
7:22 a.m.
I don't have my 128D up (still packed from a move
2 yrs ago) but I
have links to some Commode-ore sites that have info, files, etc and
one of them is a browser (text based) that is supposed to work out on
the internet with a commodore and modem. I'm sure that I saw mention
of a way to have the program mailed to you on a C64 format floppy or
to a BBS that you could use a common program to download it from.
Again, it's been a couple years since I broke mine out but I know
there are all sorts of Commodore sites and files on the net. The
term/name Brain seems to come to mind...
Wow. I don't know why Cameron or one of you other Commodore
guys didn't pick up on this. Jim Brain is/was a seminal figure in
C64 users lore. He had/has the CaBooM C64 meta-link search
engine and maintained the C64 FAQ as well as the premiere C64
FTP site. IIRC he also ocasionally posted to the list. A few years
back he was in a serious car accident which I believe curtailed his
activities somewhat. You can find him at:
http://www.jbrain.com/vicug/
ciao larry
Reply to:
lgwalker(a)look.ca
5 Feb
5 Feb
11:13 a.m.
On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Ross Archer wrote:
I know it's got an RS232 port, so perhaps I could
write a small
BASIC program to bootstrap in the program at low speed and develop
something like an Xmodem download with the downloaded assembler.
Just wondering if anyone has
a better way to get software from 'net to C64, and knows a good
source for same. Maybe a cave full of cartridges like the
Atari has exists out there... :)
Welcome to the C64 universe:
http://www.siconic.com/cgi-bin/links.pl#commodore
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12:26 p.m.
Ross Archer skrev:
And if I find it somewhere on the 'net, how to get
it into
the C64? Has anyone solved that one?
I know it's got an RS232 port, so perhaps I could
write a small
BASIC program to bootstrap in the program at low speed and develop
something like an Xmodem download with the downloaded assembler.
Just wondering if anyone has
a better way to get software from 'net to C64, and knows a good
source for same. Maybe a cave full of cartridges like the
Atari has exists out there... :)
Try to have a look in ftp.funet.fi:/pub/cbm/crossplatform/transfer/.
If you've really got an RS-232 interface, try a nullmodem and Over5 (available
both in Amiga and Linux versions, perhaps a Windows port, too), which has a
short BASIC RS-232 transfer program listing so that you might download a real
terminal emulator for further transfers. In other cases, there are a lot of
cables for connecting the 1541 to every kind of computer out there, or as a
last-ditch effort, wav-prg (Windows and Linux versions exist) which will
output a T64 or binary file as tape signals for recording on datasette and
loading on the C64.
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7 Feb
7 Feb
7:22 a.m.
Ross Archer skrev:
TMK the C64 serial port isn't really RS232 compliant. In searching
thru my archives in regard to Jim Brain I ran across this interesting
little historical tid-bit written by Jim Brain and quoting a neighbor of
mine Jim Butterfield, another seminal Commodore figure who was
also the on-screen tech-man for a mid-eighties TV show on
computers called "Bits and Bytes".
From: brain(a)garnet.msen.com (Jim Brain)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: PC's as 64 HD's and the 6522 chip!
Date: 7 Apr 1994 13:48:35 GMT
Right after I posted about hooking a 6522 VIA up to a PC parallel
port
to turn the PC into a "char-banger" instead of a "bit-banger",
someone
posted that they had thought the 6522 had a problem with the shift
register. The poster also said that Jim Butterfield had alerted him
and
others to it.
Well, I have been in correspondence with "The Commodore Man",
so I
asked him
to elaborate on the topic. Here is the two responses:
And if I find it somewhere on the 'net, how to
get it into
the C64? Has anyone solved that one?
I know it's got an RS232 port, so perhaps I
could write a small
BASIC program to bootstrap in the program at low speed and develop
something like an Xmodem download with the downloaded assembler. Just
wondering if anyone has a better way to get software from 'net to
C64, and knows a good source for same. Maybe a cave full of
cartridges like the Atari has exists out there... :)
Try to have a look in ftp.funet.fi:/pub/cbm/crossplatform/transfer/.
If you've really got an RS-232 interface, try a nullmodem and Over5
(available both in Amiga and Linux versions, perhaps a Windows port,
too), which has a short BASIC RS-232 transfer program listing so that
you might download a real terminal emulator for further transfers. In
other cases, there are a lot of cables for connecting the 1541 to
every kind of computer out there, or as a last-ditch effort, wav-prg
(Windows and Linux versions exist) which will output a T64 or binary
file as tape signals for recording on datasette and loading on the
C64.
Yes, it's true. Although I didn't get
official confirmation of this
long after, when a Spectrum article quoted the designers.
As you know, the first Commodore computers used the IEEE
bus to connect to
peripherals such as disk and printer. I understand
that these
were available
only from one source: Belden cables. A couple of
years into
Commodore's
computer career, Belden went out of stock on such
cables
(military contract?
who knows?). In any case, Commodore were in quite a
fix: they
made
computers and disk drives, but couldn't hook
'em together!
So Tramiel issued the order: "On our next computer, get off that
bus.
Make it a cable anyone can manufacture". And so,
starting with
the VIC-20
the serial bus was born. It was intended to be just as
fast as the
IEEE-488 it replaced.
Technically, the idea was sound: the 6522 VIA chip has a "shift
register" circuit that, if tickled with the right signals (data and
clock)
will cheerfully collect 8 bits of data without any help
from the CPU.
At that time, it would signal that it had a byte to be collected, and
the processor would do so, using an automatic handshake built
into the
6522 to trigger the next incoming byte. Things worked
in a
similar way
outgoing from the computer, too.
We early PET/CBM freaks knew, from playing music, that there
was something
wrong with the 6522's shift register: it
interfered with other
functions.
The rule was: turn off the music before you start the
tape! (The
shift
register was a popular sound generator). But the
Commodore
engineers,
who only made the chip, didn't know this. Until
they got into final
checkout of the VIC-20.
By this time, the VIC-20 board was in manufacture. A new chip
could
be designed in a few months (yes, the silicon guys had
application notes
about the problem, long since), but it was TOO LATE!
A major software rewrite had to take place that changed the VIC-
20
into a "bit-catcher" rather than a
"character-catcher". It called for
eight times as much work on the part of the CPU; and unlike the
shift
register plan, there was no timing/handshake slack
time. The
whole
thing slowed down by a factor of approximately 5 to 6.
There's more (the follow-on C64 catastrophe), but that's where it
happened.
--Jim
And the saga continues ...
When the 64 came out, the problem VIA 6522 chip had
been
replaced by the CIA 6526. This did not have the shift register
problem
which had caused trouble on the VIC-20, and at that
time it would
have
been possible to restore plan 1, a fast serial bus.
Note that this
would
have called for a redesign of the 1540 disk drive,
which also used
a VIA.
As best I can estimate - and an article in the IEEE
Spectrum
magazine
supports this - the matter was discussed within
Commodore, and
it was
decided that VIC-20 compatibility was more important
than disk
speed.
Perhaps the prospect of a 1541 redesign was an
important part of
the
decision, since current inventories needed to be taken
into
account.
But to keep the Commodore 64 as a
"bit-banger", a new
problem arose.
The higher-resolution screen of the 64 (as compared to
the VIC-20)
could not be supported without stopping the CPU every once in a
while.
To be exact: Every 8 screen raster lines (each line of
text), the
CPU
had to be put into a WAIT condition for 42
microseconds, so as to
allow
the next line of screen text and color nybbles to be
swept into the
chip.
(More time would be needed if sprites were being
used).
But the bits were coming in on the serial bus faster than that:
aD
a bit would come in about every 20 microseconds! So
the poor
CPU, frozen
for longer than that, would miss some serial bits
completely!
Commodore's solution was to slow down the serial bus even
more.
That's why the VIC-20 has a faster serial bus than
the 64, even
though
the 64 was capable, technically, of running many times
faster.
Fast disk finally came into its own with the Commodore 128.
--Jim
Now someone also told me at one time that they had seen a
fastloader
that
same someone said he thought it was odd that the author of the
loader
had
credited Commodore with the routines. Well, I can hazard a guess
that
the
routines were the ones they had wanted to put in the 6522, but had
to
scrap
due to the 6522 problem. Now I have no idea what the problem
is/was,
but
I am eager to find out. However, I rescind my plans to build
something
around the 6522 until we find out what the problem is.
Jim "Just the Facts" Brain
**END QUOTE**
The 64 and VIC would have had a faster drive if it wern't for the
cables and the chip problems... Probably HP was doing major
IEEE-488
sales and it was a strain on the cable manufactuer. IEEE-488
cables
nowadays run from $40-$90 new, of course it is a standard 'get'
item on
my mental thrift store shopping list.
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Reply to:
lgwalker(a)look.ca
11:33 a.m.
On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Lawrence Walker wrote:
The 64 and VIC would have had a faster drive if it
wern't for the
cables and the chip problems...
You mean if it wasn't for poor engineering and stupid marketing decisions.
Now I know why I laughed at Commodore owners all those years ;)
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2:39 p.m.
The 64 and
VIC would have had a faster drive if it wern't for the
cables and the chip problems...
You mean if it wasn't for poor engineering and stupid marketing decisions.
Now I know why I laughed at Commodore owners all those years ;)
7:56 p.m.
Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Elitist. :-P
Revisionist too. :)
I remember having my C64 when the IBM PC first came out.
Minimal graphical capabilities, beep-bleep sound, and ridiculous
price for its capabilities (it wasn't even significantly faster,
and if you were doing anything like a game, it was grossly inferior.)
Contrast that with any C64/C128, with real multi-voice sound capability,
multiple "sprite" graphics, and frankly adequate speed for games of that
era, and a price that was rock-bottom by comparison.
Sure the drives sucked rocks(!!!), and their marketing was even worse.
I think in all the years Commodore existed, I saw ONE TV ad, and it
was aiming the Amiga for the business and "serious application"
market. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid!!!
If they had called themselves "Commodore Game Machines" and stuck to
fancy silicon coprocessors, they would be today's Playstation. :)
In my incredibly humble opinion, of course. :)
-- Ross
The 64
and VIC would have had a faster drive if it wern't for the
cables and the chip problems...
You mean if it wasn't for poor engineering and stupid marketing decisions.
Now I know why I laughed at Commodore owners all those years ;)
Since my Power Mac 7300's HD had a serious mechanical failure this morning,
I am now back on the 128D's console. Feels good to have " on SHIFT-2 ...
doesn't feel good to realise that the $130 I paid for that drive is wasted,
along with 4MB of irreplaceable data (the CD-RW burner I bought for backups
ironically will arrive sometime next week).
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8:23 p.m.
Sure the drives sucked rocks(!!!), and their marketing
was even worse.
I think in all the years Commodore existed, I saw ONE TV ad, and it
was aiming the Amiga for the business and "serious application"
market. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid!!!
Huh? Do you not remember the ads in Newsweek for the 64 and vicmodems, showing
how great telecomputing was, or the TV add with the classical music playing
on the 64 in the background?
-- Ross
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Since my Power Mac 7300's HD had a serious mechanical failure this morning,
I am now back on the 128D's console. Feels good to have " on SHIFT-2 ...
doesn't feel good to realise that the $130 I paid for that drive is wasted,
along with 4MB of irreplaceable data (the CD-RW burner I bought for backups
ironically will arrive sometime next week).
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8 Feb
8 Feb
5:33 a.m.
Cameron Kaiser wrote:
You mean if it wasn't for poor engineering and
stupid marketing decisions.
It was once said that of Commodore was selling sushi, they'd call it "cold,
raw, dead fish." But Marketing aside, there _were_ a bunch of stupid
engineering decisions, well documented by R.J. Mikal in his "Commodore
Deathbed Vigil" tape. It didn't matter who was at the helm, many engineering
decisions were driven by stock on hand to deplete remnants of previous products
rather than sell off the assets at a loss and use more modern (and expensive)
components. The two that come to mind were the 2114s in the VIC-20 (they
apparently had metric tons of them left-over from the PETs - Jack Tramiel
said he didn't care how much memory the new computer had, as long as they used
up those chips), and the case for the A4000 (*after* the motherboard was
finished Medhi Ali (the LBF) told the engineers to redesign it to fit the
warehouse of PC cases they had from a former Intel-based product, delaying
the launch *substantially*)
It was either one or two years before they went bankrupt that they broke
the Billion Dollar mark in sales. They ended $500M in the hole. There was
a lot of stupidity going on behind the scenes.
-ethan
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5:50 a.m.
On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Ethan Dicks wrote:
Cameron Kaiser wrote:
> You mean if it wasn't for poor engineering and stupid marketing decisions.
Actually, I said that ;)
Sorry, Cam!
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7:43 a.m.
> You mean
if it wasn't for poor engineering and stupid marketing decisions.
Actually, I said that ;)
Sorry, Cam! 
11 Feb
11 Feb
4:33 a.m.
Ethan Dicks wrote:
It was once said that of Commodore was selling sushi,
they'd call it
"cold,
raw, dead fish." But Marketing aside, there
_were_ a bunch of stupid
engineering decisions, well documented by R.J. Mikal in his "Commodore
Deathbed Vigil" tape.
On a related note, *Dave Haynie's* Deathbed Vigil can be found in MPEG
format on the Amiga Forever v4 CD. In my mind, Apple made simliar mistakes
and cancelled many more products than Commodore during the last 20 years.
Fortunately, they had a stronger US foothold than the Big C.
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14 Feb
8:08 a.m.
--- Gareth Knight <gareth.knight(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
Ethan Dicks wrote:
Whoops! Big mistake on my part. I've even _got_ the video. Talk about
bits needing a refresh.
Thanks for the correction.
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But Marketing aside, there _were_ a bunch of
stupid
engineering decisions, well documented by R.J. Mikal in his "Commodore
Deathbed Vigil" tape.
On a related note, *Dave Haynie's* Deathbed Vigil can be found in MPEG
format on the Amiga Forever v4 CD. 
8 Feb
8 Feb
8:59 a.m.
New subject: New version of the Dec field guide for the Palm
Hello All,
A new update of the Dec field Guide for the Palm III/V/VII is available
upon request. For those who did request a copy earlier, no need to
reply, you will get it automatically.
Changes in this version:
- included references to the document names
- cosmetic changes
- more product names
- web page reference to the maintained copy by Megan Gentry
This version does only contains the Dec stuff, the non Dec stuff
will come in a later update.
Outstanding enhancements:
- micronotes
- more A/G/M card series & descriptions
If you want a copy, send me an email and it will be send to you.
Regards,
Ed
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8 a.m.
New subject: New version of the Dec field guide for the Palm
A new update of the Dec field Guide for the Palm
III/V/VII is available
upon request. For those who did request a copy earlier, no need to
Any chance of it working on earlier Palm's? This is starting to sound good.
Zane
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New subject: New version of the Dec field guide for the Palm
Zane H. Healy wrote:
I think it will. The 'list' tool is designed straight forward, so
it looks like it will also work on the older Personal and Professional.
Ed
A new update of the Dec field Guide for the Palm
III/V/VII is available
upon request. For those who did request a copy earlier, no need to
Any chance of it working on earlier Palm's? This is starting to sound good.
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8:11 a.m.
New subject: New version of the Dec field guide for the Palm
Will this only work on 'Palm's? Any options for Windows CE running on an
HP Jornada 680?
-Bob
Hello All,
A new update of the Dec field Guide for the Palm III/V/VII is available
upon request. For those who did request a copy earlier, no need to
reply, you will get it automatically.
Changes in this version:
- included references to the document names
- cosmetic changes
- more product names
- web page reference to the maintained copy by Megan Gentry
This version does only contains the Dec stuff, the non Dec stuff
will come in a later update.
Outstanding enhancements:
- micronotes
- more A/G/M card series & descriptions
If you want a copy, send me an email and it will be send to you.
Regards,
Ed
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1:05 p.m.
New subject: New version of the Dec field guide for the Palm
Bob Brown wrote:
Will this only work on 'Palm's? Any options for Windows CE running on an
HP Jornada 680?
Probably not, unless the 'list' tool is also available under Windows CE.
The source and PalmOS binary of the tool can be found at
http://www.magma.ca/~roo/list/list.html, which is maintained by the
owner of the program.
Ed
-Bob
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Hello All,
A new update of the Dec field Guide for the Palm III/V/VII is available
upon request. For those who did request a copy earlier, no need to
reply, you will get it automatically.
Changes in this version:
- included references to the document names
- cosmetic changes
- more product names
- web page reference to the maintained copy by Megan Gentry
This version does only contains the Dec stuff, the non Dec stuff
will come in a later update.
Outstanding enhancements:
- micronotes
- more A/G/M card series & descriptions
If you want a copy, send me an email and it will be send to you.
Regards,
Ed
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12:01 p.m.
Cameron Kaiser skrev:
On any Macs with an extended keyboard or similar, SHIFT-2
should be the @. The " is SHIFT-' right next to the enter key. With
my TRS-80 Model 2000, the US keyboard has the @ on SHIFT-2 as well,
but with the International keyboard it is " as you describe. I've
yet to get any good information on just where the International
keyboard was sold though, as it's a bit different in key layout, as
well as the number of keys.
Jeff
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Collector of Classic Microcomputers and Video Game Systems:
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
Since my Power Mac 7300's HD had a serious
mechanical failure this morning,
I am now back on the 128D's console. Feels good to have " on SHIFT-2 ...
" is on shift-2 on all my Macs. =)
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