At 09:59 AM 10/4/01, Andy wrote: Andy, anyone with a brain, the ability to read, and sufficient time should be able to "fully understand how it works." This may take more time than it is worth but it should be do-able. If anyone asks you to buy, or offers to give you, technology for which it is impossible to get thorough descriptions of their operation. Then the prudent thing is to decline the technology. However, while good in theory, in practice people have to pick and choose the technology providers they trust. If the new US Anti-terrorist bill, otherwise known as the American KGB implementation act, passes I expect that all rental cars will be equipped with "satellite" capable radios that will transmit into a continuously recording mechanism all sounds that occur in the car.* However, for us, a good definition of "Classic" computers, is one for which the documentation can be obtained. So as newer, and more proprietary systems reach the '10 year rule' it suggests we need to revisit the definitions ;-) I'm in favor or starting "20thcenturycmp" as a nice easy to define, won't change list. --Chuck * but the recordings will only be used in court if they can get a warrant to use them as evidence, otherwise they will be used to get you to produce evidence that can be used in court.