On 3/13/2014 4:40 PM, Liam Proven wrote: Oh, it's nothing personal... ;) -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ Registered Linux user number 464583 "Computers have lots of memory but no imagination." "The problem with troubleshooting is that trouble shoots back." - from some guy on the internet.

On 15 March 2014 16:22, Philip Belben <philip at axeside.co.uk> wrote: I have? Yours is the 1st response I can see. Do you perhaps mean over in CCtalk? Sridhar has emailed me offlist about the article, to commend the Droid. Sadly it was not sold much in Europe; the "Motorola Milestone" was launched over here, with no splash at all, and I think the Milestone 2. Nothing later. But I tried them. Well, the 1. For me, it was too small to be of any use at all, like most Blackberries are - sized for women's or small men's hands. I am a large man with exceptionally large hands. I find a keyboard less than about 5" wide more or less unusable, and I find touchscreen keyboards largely unusable for the same reason - which is why I have a phone with a 5.2" screen, in an effort to get one big enough to enter text on with only one or two swears out loud per 3-4 words. The 3 and 4 weren't sold here at all, AFAIK. I also tried a Nokia N900, another of the last-gen keyboarded devices. Better but still too small for me: just a 4" screen, which is on the wrong side of the edge of being too small to be usable to me. Indeed. It seems rarely realised that the electronics market is just as fashion-driven as the clothing market. Ditto. I have a Note 2 myself. I've had one. Frankly the time it takes to take it out, open it, turn it on, wait for a connection and then find some place or some way to hold or support keyboard and phone simultaneously destroys any potential use for the thing, for me. They are, to me, utterly useless. It needs to be: * built in * always-on * powered by the same power source - no separate batteries or charging * not wirelessly connected: a physical link for instant use * strongly physically connected to the device * protected from accidental activation when not in use (i.e. closed over in some way) * at least 5" wide, with a separate number row & cursor keys AFAIK this is not obtainable from any vendor in the world any more. No idea, but for me, still not much help. A keyboard for which I need to sit at a table might as well not be there. I have cheap notebook computers for that. -- Liam Proven * Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lproven at cix.co.uk * GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lproven at hotmail.com * Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 * Cell: +44 7939-087884

On 15 March 2014 17:22, Philip Belben <philip at axeside.co.uk> wrote: I have a version of the Stowaway which works with a smartphone, and yes it uses Bluetooth. I originally bought it for my Palm Tungsten T3 (earlier Palms would use a serial version of the same keyboard, it was AFAIK sold under the Palm logo at that time. My colleague across the corridor has one of those.) This BT Stowaway works with everything I've tried it with, e.g. a Nokia N900 phone, and other gadgets. After the Palm I migrated to a Nokia N800 Internet Tablet (small thing, from 2007), and the Stowaway was a great companion because folded it was nearly the same size. The combo worked great when connecting to the net in airports and hotels around the world. I'm not sure that it being BT creates any kind of security hole though. You pair the keyboad once, and after that the phone keeps bluetooth silent. No broadcasting. It won't accept input from another keyboard, and even if it did, it would only mess with what I was currently actively trying to do. Short range too - I would see the guy, probably. Anyway, I've never come across anyone who have ever had an incident like that. I use another bluetooth (not foldable) keyboard with an Android tablet, problem free as well. -Tor CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail and any attachment contain KONGSBERG information which may be proprietary, confidential or subject to export regulations, and is only meant for the intended recipient(s). Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use is prohibited, if not otherwise explicitly agreed with KONGSBERG. If received in error, please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender properly.