On Aug 11, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Chuck Guzis <cclist
at sydex.com> wrote:
On 08/11/2015 07:52 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
Yes, that was a pretty nice system. Certainly
not the first ALGOL
system, but a decent one even though they did put a bunch of
Fortran-like ugliness into the I/O.
As I recall, the I/O in the Algol-60 report was not particularly well-defined. Pascal
followed this pattern also.
It was not defined at all.
So Burroughs could hardly be blamed.
I wouldn?t conclude that. The natural way to do I/O in Algol is exactly what it is in C:
using a set of libraries. In fact, C is arguably no different than Algol in that I/O is
not part of the base language. The difference is that in C there came to be a fairly
consistent ?standard library?.
The Dutch Algol implementations use that model, and there were several different compilers
that used roughly the same set of functions. With that approach, all that is needed by
way of extension to Algol is the addition of a ?string? type (for literal strings, not
string variables, minimally).
Burroughs however took a very different route, which is much more invasive into the
underlying language, and feels a lot like a grafting of Fortran FORMAT statements onto
Algol.
PDP11 DECUS ALGOL was clearly inspired by that,
it?s a subset of
Burroughs ALGOL and the generated code looks like a 16-bit variant of
B5500 machine code.
I hadn't realized that descriptors had been implemented on the PDP-11.
Not in the PDP-11 machine architecture. DECUS Algol is a P-code implementation: the
generated binary is pretty much Burroughs machine code apart from the word length, and the
runtime library interprets that code. So you see descriptors there, and B5500 style stack
operations, and all that, but it isn?t native PDP-11 machine code.
Note though that some of the discussion was about
Algol 68, which is
a rather different language. I don?t know that Burroughs ever did
anything with it, but some other companies did (CDC for one).
I don't know where Algol 68 in the CDC world came from; I am aware of no one in CPD
Sunnyvale who worked on it. Was it a VIM contribution?
No, it was a CDC product, but developed by CDC Holland (at their Rijswijk office).
Apparently it was created at the insistence of a number of CDC?s academic customers in
Europe.
?native? in what sense? There are plenty of
machines, from many
companies, that support block structured languages well. The PDP11
and VAX are among those, as are the Burroughs mainframes, the
Electrologica EL-X8, and many others. If so, they will do well at
Algol, Pascal, C, Modula, Ada, and so on.
Well, CDC 6600 routinely beat out IBM's iron on COBOL, even without character
addressability or the capability for decimal arithmetic.
Which makes sense; it demonstrates what nearly everyone now knows, which is that RISC
architecture is a very good way to design a computer.
If you mean ?native? in the sense of an
instruction set tailored for
running Algol programs, no ? in that sense, Burroughs was rather
unusual, though you might point at the Electrologica EL-X8 as another
example.
That's exactly what I mean.
I suspect part of the reason is that Algol wasn?t all that popular in the USA even if its
heyday. Add to that the fact that most computer designers weren?t all that skilled in
software. And finally, as the RISC experience has shown, it isn?t really worth it ? a
well designed RISC architecture supports any language well, with a simpler, faster, and
more economical hardware architecture.
paul