Quoting Jim Davis <jimdavis(a)gorge.net>et>: Well, I don't like this OT crap either. I've never been on a list before that even came close to classiccmp's 80% OT-ness. Ob classiccmp: Does anyone have a Zuse Z1 that I can have for the cost of shipping? -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)ou.edu

I reciently inherited a rather stout Tektronix terminal. It sits in it's own stand and appears very solidly built. This machine is the classic green storage tube phospher (Remember Battlestar Galactica?). I used one of these in college many years ago and was wondering if there were any libraries for cpm era machines I might be able to use to drive the graphic modes of this ancient terminal. George Rachor ========================================================= George L. Rachor Jr. george(a)rachors.com Hillsboro, Oregon http://rachors.com United States of America Amateur Radio : KD7DCX

If all else fails, there is a pretty simple way to talk to Tek's using excape sequences, which I can send if you don't get what you want otherwise. First you should verify that it functions as a serial terminal. John A.

Don't get your undies in a twist. :) Ok, now that's pretty damn cool. :) g.

On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Gene Buckle wrote: [Usenet flame mode on :-)] So, does that mean that you're in agreement with those runners up for the vice-presidency of the moron section of the knucklehead club who tear classic computers apart so as to be able to use their bits for wall hangings and office trophies, or to be immersed in clear epoxy for sale on E-bilk as expensive paperweights and, hence, forever useless as functional computer bits? Uh-oh, that comment warrants severe Usenet-style flamage... :-) [Basil Fawlty Usenet flamethrower mode on] Bizarre? You call what we've been discussing Bizarre? Let me guess, you're a propagana artist from one of Big Brother's goon squads or else you're some random politican's aid pretending to be a computer collector, and you're working on "damage control," right? Ah, hah! Just as we thought. Admit it, as vee haf vays uf making you talk. [flames mode off] As someone else pointed out, this is definitely relevant to hacking. Over in Europe, the looney one world government political plotters are working hard to prevent hacking as they attempt to curtail what's left of anyone's freedom and liberty. Their inane rules and regulations are already having harmful effects on the hardware hacking attempts of non-Europeans like the English, and may even be influencing the politicrats in the U.S. The discussions that we've been having pertaining to the 4th of July, etc. are indeed pertinent to not only the rights of U.S. citizens to continue hacking, which is a vital aspect of computer collecting, restoration and preservation. but helpful to hackers everywhere who want to resist Big Brother and "little brother inc." -- Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd(a)rddavis.net 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.net beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.

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The sad thing is that bad technology laws have a tendency to breed like rats. I shudder every time I hear of some new absurd law being passed in .au. Well math never was one of my stronger subjects. :) g.

On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Gene Buckle wrote: I have an idea. Let's implement the Dick "Big Tool" Erlacher method of list moderation. Anyone should have the capability of blocking anyone else from the list. That way, people will certainly stay on topic as the moment they go off topic (and offend someone) they will be instantly blocked, no questions asked. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Zane H. Healy wrote: Normally I'd agree, but I don't see that the issues in the most contentious segment of the thread are all that off-topic, given things like the Australian Parliament's moves to criminalize "hacking", what happened with the Sydex tools, and that whole paranoid, projective, cop mentality, setting up for the day when some over-zealous opportunist of a prosecutor tries a list member for "virus" (ie. non-Windows) code on his PDP-8 or something. Go ahead and laugh; yes, it's aburd, but we've seen way too much absurd shit in this vein in the last few years. To wit, hot off the wire, apparently, the State of GA is bringing much shame and embarrassment on itself by prosecuting a former admin at Dekalb Tech for running distributed.net RC5 clients on school computers. http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?start=1&catid=39&thread… The exact circumstances are unclear to me at the moment, but the state remains to show he actually acted improperly or caused any harm. At the worst, it appears this *might* have warranted a reprimand at most, here in the "it may not be easier to get forgiveness than permission, but it's necessary, just don't get caught" state, where poor families daily face choices such as "do I drive without a license and/or insurance to get to work today, or do I obey the law like a good citizen, only to face prosecution for child neglect and have DFACS take my kids", not a 15 yr., $415,000 fine felony conviction. Or should we shoot him, Dick? By the way, I see your points, and I think you and Sellam are actually arguing from the same position, I just don't think you realize there may not always be an honorable way to address things the way you say should be done without having to break a few laws here and there. The deck is stacked, and the other side is not fighting fair. Voice of bitter experience. My 2 cents, jbdigriz

On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Sellam Ismail wrote: It's reassuring you can find humor in the throes of such intemperance, but no, I was serious. Maybe I can phrase it better- you're both making the same argument from different positions. Different roads, maybe. Same destination. A laudable one, too. Perhaps it's time to put this one to bed? jbdigriz

Why ? It was never functional ! Jos Dreesen

On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote: Sure. I'll need blasting powder, a front loader, a moving van, and a round-trip cargo vessel to Germany (plus several thousand Deutschmarks ;) Meet me in Berlin at the Deutches Technik Museum. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org