8 Nov
1998
8 Nov
'98
8:54 a.m.
In a message dated 11/8/98 3:45:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, yowza(a)yowza.com
writes:
<<
When desktops disappear, and only notebooks survive, then the first
laptops will be very collectible. If pen-based computing continues to
gain ground, then the first pen-based machines will be nice to have. If
wireless communications becomes commonplace.... If voice recognition
replaces the keyboard....
There are lots of future collectibles out there.
>
Doug is right. Look for the first developers
of an idea. Limited production
runs of a popular item.
Any collector will tell you that a lot depends on rareity. An item produced in
the millions is less valuable than one produced in the thousands. Prototypes
of popular machines will be very valuable. Machines that bombed in the market
will be valuable. Accessories and documentation that disapears readilly will
be valuable.
Hm, how about masks of 386, 486, 586 chips.... from the manufacture process.
Very rare and often beautiful. Most companies desroy them. Test runs of a
product that didn't make it to market (anyone remember the Biin machine. I
doubt there is a single example of that one left.)
The Gold plated Cyrix Chips. Most will go to scrap for the gold content.
Beauty has little value untill much later. Add art and design to your
collectors criteria.
Some of the speciallized gear to make systems work. Ethernet repeaters, thick
cable, some of the first fiber optic gear, routersand other peripherals.
Anything that helps popularize or develop new concepts and revolutionary
equipment changes.
Yes the iMac will be collectable because it is taking a lot of new people into
the land of computerdom. It is a revolutionary device, the thought of
unpacking it from the box, plugging it in and going to work is very attractive
to new computer users. How many computers of today will survive when crashes
become totally unacceptable. It will be 20 years though, before it gains value
as a collectable. Any limited edition iMac that Apple may make will be
collectable. This is going to be the first computer for millions of people.
Follow important people in the field. Many of the computers Steven Jobs had a
hand in are collectable. I bet there will be more.
Paxton
8 Nov
8 Nov
9:04 a.m.
On Sun, 8 Nov 1998 Innfogra(a)aol.com wrote:
Yes the iMac will be collectable because it is taking
a lot of new
people into the land of computerdom. It is a revolutionary device, the
thought of unpacking it from the box, plugging it in and going to work
is very attractive to new computer users.
Apple used that trick before. It was called the Macintosh.
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9:19 a.m.
New subject: Future Collectibles
On Sun, 8 Nov 1998, Sam Ismail wrote:
I think the parallel is with the Lisa. iMac owners will bitch about the
lack of floppy, so Apple will make an iMac 2 with built-in floppy drive
and offer a free upgrade to existing iMac owners... and a new collectible
is born.
-- Doug
Yes the iMac
will be collectable because it is taking a lot of new
people into the land of computerdom. It is a revolutionary device, the
Apple used that trick before. It was called the Macintosh. 
9:58 a.m.
New subject: Future Collectibles
Doug Yowza wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 1998, Sam Ismail wrote:
I think the parallel is with the Lisa. iMac owners will bitch about the
lack of floppy, so Apple will make an iMac 2 with built-in floppy drive
and offer a free upgrade to existing iMac owners... and a new collectible
is born.
Didn't that happen a while back with the first NeXT cubes? Previous
situation where common sense by engineering was overruled by
marketing to make things pretty rather than really practical.
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Yes the
iMac will be collectable because it is taking a lot of new
people into the land of computerdom. It is a revolutionary device, the
Apple used that trick before. It was called the Macintosh.
11:24 a.m.
New subject: Future Collectibles
On Sun, 8 Nov 1998, Ward Donald Griffiths III wrote:
Yup, but do you think it was the magical marketing guys that made the
choice? I think it was Steve Jobs himself, Mr. Anti-floppy. First the
Lisa, then the NeXT, and now the iMac. When will he learn?
-- Doug
I think the
parallel is with the Lisa. iMac owners will bitch about the
lack of floppy, so Apple will make an iMac 2 with built-in floppy drive
and offer a free upgrade to existing iMac owners... and a new collectible
is born.
Didn't that happen a while back with the first NeXT cubes? Previous
situation where common sense by engineering was overruled by
marketing to make things pretty rather than really practical.
12:38 p.m.
New subject: Future Collectibles
Doug Yowza wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 1998, Ward Donald Griffiths III wrote:
Yup, but do you think it was the magical marketing guys that made the
choice? I think it was Steve Jobs himself, Mr. Anti-floppy. First the
Lisa, then the NeXT, and now the iMac. When will he learn?
Well, Jobs is always the head of marketing, has been since he talked
Woz into cloning the machine Woz had homebrewed. (Admittedly, he
did take that long vacation where he was head of marketing for NeXT
instead of Apple).
--
Ward Griffiths <mailto:gram@cnct.com> <http://www.cnct.com/home/gram/>
WARNING: The Attorney General has determined that Alcohol, Tobacco,
and Firearms can be hazardous to your health -- and get away with it.
I think
the parallel is with the Lisa. iMac owners will bitch about the
lack of floppy, so Apple will make an iMac 2 with built-in floppy drive
and offer a free upgrade to existing iMac owners... and a new collectible
is born.
Didn't that happen a while back with the first NeXT cubes? Previous
situation where common sense by engineering was overruled by
marketing to make things pretty rather than really practical. 
9:38 a.m.
On Sun, 8 Nov 1998, Sam Ismail wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 1998 Innfogra(a)aol.com wrote:
And Kaypro with the 10.
- don
Yes the iMac will be collectable because it is
taking a lot of new
people into the land of computerdom. It is a revolutionary device, the
thought of unpacking it from the box, plugging it in and going to work
is very attractive to new computer users.
Apple used that trick before. It was called the Macintosh. Sellam Alternate
e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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9:45 a.m.
New subject: Future Collectibles
On Sun, 8 Nov 1998, Don Maslin wrote:
And Kaypro with the 10.
I remember the Osborne being the first machine bundled with lots of useful
apps. Do I misremember?
-- Doug
Yes the iMac will be collectable because it is taking
a lot of new
people into the land of computerdom. It is a revolutionary device, the
thought of unpacking it from the box, plugging it in and going to work
is very attractive to new computer users.
Apple used that trick before. It was called the Macintosh.
9:59 a.m.
New subject: Future Collectibles
On Sun, 8 Nov 1998, Doug Yowza wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 1998, Don Maslin wrote:
And Kaypro with the 10.
I remember the Osborne being the first machine bundled with lots of useful
apps. Do I misremember?
-- Doug
No, I don't think so, but you had to stuff a disk into it. With the 10,
you just turned it on.
- don
Yes the iMac will be collectable because it is taking
a lot of new
people into the land of computerdom. It is a revolutionary device, the
thought of unpacking it from the box, plugging it in and going to work
is very attractive to new computer users.
Apple used that trick before. It was called the Macintosh.
10:10 a.m.
New subject: Future Collectibles
On Sun, 8 Nov 1998, Don Maslin wrote:
Well, I think Doug meant it was the first to be bundled with software (not
necessarily ready to be turned on and run). But of course, we all know
what happens when we declare a "first". Someone comes along and tells of
something that came out much earlier. Didn't the IBM 360 come bundled
with software?
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I remember the
Osborne being the first machine bundled with lots of useful
apps. Do I misremember?
-- Doug
No, I don't think so, but you had to stuff a disk into it. With the 10,
you just turned it on.
12:45 p.m.
New subject: Future Collectibles
On Sun, 8 Nov 1998, Sam Ismail wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 1998, Don Maslin wrote:
Well, I think Doug meant it was the first to be bundled with software (not
necessarily ready to be turned on and run). But of course, we all know
what happens when we declare a "first". Someone comes along and tells of
something that came out much earlier. Didn't the IBM 360 come bundled
with software?
Yes, I thought that was Doug's point. My rationale was that the iMac and
the Mac were hard disk machines as was the Kaypro 10.
- don
I
remember the Osborne being the first machine bundled with lots of useful
apps. Do I misremember?
-- Doug
No, I don't think so, but you had to stuff a disk into it. With the 10,
you just turned it on. Sellam Alternate
e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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2:32 p.m.
New subject: Future Collectibles
On Sun, 8 Nov 1998, Don Maslin wrote:
Well, the iMac is, but the Mac was definitely not a hard disk machine.
Somehow I think you meant to say something else.
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Well, I think
Doug meant it was the first to be bundled with software (not
necessarily ready to be turned on and run). But of course, we all know
what happens when we declare a "first". Someone comes along and tells of
something that came out much earlier. Didn't the IBM 360 come bundled
with software?
Yes, I thought that was Doug's point. My rationale was that the iMac and
the Mac were hard disk machines as was the Kaypro 10.
4:05 p.m.
New subject: Future Collectibles
On Sun, 8 Nov 1998, Sam Ismail wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 1998, Don Maslin wrote:
Well, the iMac is, but the Mac was definitely not a hard disk machine.
Somehow I think you meant to say something else.
Then Doug is correct and I am not!
- don
Well, I
think Doug meant it was the first to be bundled with software (not
necessarily ready to be turned on and run). But of course, we all know
what happens when we declare a "first". Someone comes along and tells of
something that came out much earlier. Didn't the IBM 360 come bundled
with software?
Yes, I thought that was Doug's point. My rationale was that the iMac and
the Mac were hard disk machines as was the Kaypro 10. Sellam Alternate
e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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