5 Feb
2017
5 Feb
'17
12:03 a.m.
On Feb 2,
2017, at 11:19 PM, william degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
...
I am curious to see what OS's run on an 11/40 without the EIS card other
than RT-11. I am researching this. I have always wanted to learn more
about batch-11.
You mean DOS/BATCH? Yes, that would run on that machine, it's an 11/20 OS. So would
the pre-Batch version of DOS-11 (V4).
Another OS that would run on your machine (as well as an 11/20) would be RSTS-11 (V4, or
I suppose V3 if you can find that), the predecessor of RSTS/E that didn't use the
MMU.
It may be that some flavors of RSX-11/M or /S can be built with no EIS, since it's
supposed to be possible to build a non-MMU version at least of /S. But I don't know
the specifics (no RSX experience).
paul RED DL:=SY:
RED DL:=LB:
MOU DL:RSXM32
@DL:[1,2]STARTUP
* PLEASE ENTER TIME AND DATE (HR:MN DD-MMM-YY) [S]: 17:52 04-FEB-80
TIM 17:52 04-FEB-80
* ENTER LINE WIDTH OF THIS TERMINAL [D D:132.]: 80.
SET /BUF=TI:80.
@ <EOF>
dev
DL0: Mounted Loaded Type=RL01
DL1: Loaded Type=RL01
TT0:
NL0:
TI0:
CO0: TT0:
CL0: TT0:
LB0: DL0:
SY0: DL0:
ins $pip
pip /li
Directory DL0:[200,200]
4-FEB-80 17:52
BLDLAINIT.CMD;1 14. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SGNBLDDRV.CMD;1 19. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SGNKLAB.CMD;1 70. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SGNSTAND.CMD;1 4. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SYSGEN.CMD;1 85. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SYSGEN2.CMD;1 79. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SYSGEN3.CMD;1 52. 22-JAN-82 10:19
Total of 323./323. blocks in 7. files
5 Feb
5 Feb
12:29 p.m.
On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 7:03 PM, Mark Matlock <mark at matlockfamily.com> wrote:
<snip>
RL02 or RL01? I have only RL02 drives (2). Are you saying you can
1) Use simH to set up the environment
2) Port to RL02 image disk
3) Take image put on actual RL02?
> On Feb 2,
2017, at 11:19 PM, william degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com>
wrote:
> ...
> I am curious to see what OS's run on an 11/40 without the EIS card
other
than
RT-11. I am researching this. I have always wanted to learn more
about batch-11.
It may be that some flavors of RSX-11/M or /S can be built with no EIS,
since
it's supposed to be possible to build a non-MMU version at least of
/S. But I don't know the specifics (no RSX experience).
paul
Bill, Paul,
I have been tinkering with old versions of RSX11M (back to V2) on
non-mapped CPUs, primarily PDP-11/05 as I hope to get mine running soon. On
Simh
with the CPU set as a PDP-11/05 which does not have EIS (I also tried an
11/40 but the SET CPU NOEIS in Simh gave me an error so I couldn't be sure
if it was disabled) I was able to boot the baseline distribution for RSX11M
V4.0 on a RL02 distribution. See details below on the config I tested.
RSX11M is a pretty capable multitasking, multiuser system and would be good
fit for the PDP-11/40.
Best,
Mark
sim> sho cpu
CPU 11/05, idle enabled, autoconfiguration enabled
64KB
sim> sh rl
RL RL11, address=17774400-17774411, vector=160, 4 units
RL0 2621KW, attached to rsxm32.rl01, on line
write enabled, RL01
RL1 2621KW, attached to excprv.rl01, on line
write enabled, RL01
RL2 2621KW, attached to mcrsrc.rl01, on line
write enabled, RL01
RL3 2621KW, attached to rlutil.rl01, on line
write enabled, RL01
sim> b rl
RSX-11M V4.0 BL32 28.K (BASELINE)
I agree that it would run on the PDP 11/40 without EIS, but so far I have
not been able to get it onto an image that will write to actual RL02
disks. I was playing around with this yesterday.
I was also working on getting Fortran onto a RT11 disk and in general
building a dual drive system that has a programming environment with enough
space to save program and a dataset.
I have a lot of RSX11/M manuals and docs here, compared with RT11 I'd love
to use RSX. Are tools made for RSX compatible with RT-11, I am reading up
to see how these compare, what levels they're on...is RT11 like DOS and RSX
like "Windows" that sits on top of it, etc. I know RSX is not a GUI, just
making an analogy. I am researching all of this, up to this point I had
only dabbled in RT11.
Thanks
Bill
RED DL:=SY:
RED DL:=LB:
MOU DL:RSXM32
@DL:[1,2]STARTUP
* PLEASE ENTER TIME AND DATE (HR:MN DD-MMM-YY) [S]: 17:52 04-FEB-80
TIM 17:52 04-FEB-80
* ENTER LINE WIDTH OF THIS TERMINAL [D D:132.]: 80.
SET /BUF=TI:80.
@ <EOF>
dev
DL0: Mounted Loaded Type=RL01
DL1: Loaded Type=RL01
TT0:
NL0:
TI0:
CO0: TT0:
CL0: TT0:
LB0: DL0:
SY0: DL0:
ins $pip
pip /li
Directory DL0:[200,200]
4-FEB-80 17:52
BLDLAINIT.CMD;1 14. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SGNBLDDRV.CMD;1 19. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SGNKLAB.CMD;1 70. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SGNSTAND.CMD;1 4. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SYSGEN.CMD;1 85. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SYSGEN2.CMD;1 79. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SYSGEN3.CMD;1 52. 22-JAN-82 10:19
Total of 323./323. blocks in 7. files
8:18 p.m.
On Feb 5, 2017, at 7:29 AM, william degnan
<billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 7:03 PM, Mark Matlock <mark at matlockfamily.com> wrote:
<snip>
RL02 or RL01? I have only RL02 drives (2). Are you saying you can
1) Use simH to set up the environment
2) Port to RL02 image disk
3) Take image put on actual RL02?
I just checked and the V3.2 distribution disks on bitsavers are RL02 images (even
if
they are in the RL01 directory). The baseline image is an unmapped system which is
a bit restrictive for your 11/40 but there is a full mapped system on the disk. To make
the mapped system the default:
1. boot the baseline unmapped system as Mark showed below. Make sure your
system is configured as an 11/40.
2. type the following at the ?>? prompt
ins $boo
boo [1,54]rsx11m
this will boot up the mapped system.
3. to make this the default (after the acs command wait for a response that the
checkpoint file is inactive):
acs sy:/blks=0
sav /wb
now you should have a bootable mapped system which you can copy to your
physical RL02. Depending on the state of your EIS board you may want to
stay with the original unmapped system - I suspect that the baseline mapped
system will always try to use the ?sob? instruction.
John.
> On
Feb 2, 2017, at 11:19 PM, william degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com>
wrote:
> ...
> I am curious to see what OS's run on an 11/40 without the EIS card
other
than
RT-11. I am researching this. I have always wanted to learn more
about batch-11.
It may be that some flavors of RSX-11/M or /S can be built with no EIS,
since
it's supposed to be possible to build a non-MMU version at least of
/S. But I don't know the specifics (no RSX experience).
paul
Bill, Paul,
I have been tinkering with old versions of RSX11M (back to V2) on
non-mapped CPUs, primarily PDP-11/05 as I hope to get mine running soon. On
Simh
with the CPU set as a PDP-11/05 which does not have EIS (I also tried an
11/40 but the SET CPU NOEIS in Simh gave me an error so I couldn't be sure
if it was disabled) I was able to boot the baseline distribution for RSX11M
V4.0 on a RL02 distribution. See details below on the config I tested.
RSX11M is a pretty capable multitasking, multiuser system and would be good
fit for the PDP-11/40.
Best,
Mark
sim> sho cpu
CPU 11/05, idle enabled, autoconfiguration enabled
64KB
sim> sh rl
RL RL11, address=17774400-17774411, vector=160, 4 units
RL0 2621KW, attached to rsxm32.rl01, on line
write enabled, RL01
RL1 2621KW, attached to excprv.rl01, on line
write enabled, RL01
RL2 2621KW, attached to mcrsrc.rl01, on line
write enabled, RL01
RL3 2621KW, attached to rlutil.rl01, on line
write enabled, RL01
sim> b rl
RSX-11M V4.0 BL32 28.K (BASELINE)
I agree that it would run on the PDP 11/40 without EIS, but so far I have
not been able to get it onto an image that will write to actual RL02
disks. I was playing around with this yesterday.
I was also working on getting Fortran onto a RT11 disk and in general
building a dual drive system that has a programming environment with enough
space to save program and a dataset.
I have a lot of RSX11/M manuals and docs here, compared with RT11 I'd love
to use RSX. Are tools made for RSX compatible with RT-11, I am reading up
to see how these compare, what levels they're on...is RT11 like DOS and RSX
like "Windows" that sits on top of it, etc. I know RSX is not a GUI, just
making an analogy. I am researching all of this, up to this point I had
only dabbled in RT11.
Thanks
Bill RED DL:=SY:
RED DL:=LB:
MOU DL:RSXM32
@DL:[1,2]STARTUP
* PLEASE ENTER TIME AND DATE (HR:MN DD-MMM-YY) [S]: 17:52 04-FEB-80
TIM 17:52 04-FEB-80
* ENTER LINE WIDTH OF THIS TERMINAL [D D:132.]: 80.
SET /BUF=TI:80.
@ <EOF>
dev
DL0: Mounted Loaded Type=RL01
DL1: Loaded Type=RL01
TT0:
NL0:
TI0:
CO0: TT0:
CL0: TT0:
LB0: DL0:
SY0: DL0:
ins $pip
pip /li
Directory DL0:[200,200]
4-FEB-80 17:52
BLDLAINIT.CMD;1 14. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SGNBLDDRV.CMD;1 19. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SGNKLAB.CMD;1 70. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SGNSTAND.CMD;1 4. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SYSGEN.CMD;1 85. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SYSGEN2.CMD;1 79. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SYSGEN3.CMD;1 52. 22-JAN-82 10:19
Total of 323./323. blocks in 7. files
8:33 p.m.
On Feb 5, 2017, at 3:18 PM, John Forecast <john at
forecast.name> wrote:
I think you should be OK with the mapped system. I just took a look at the v3.2
installation guide and it does not include a question about using EIS, that option
appears to have been added in v4.x.
John.
On Feb 5, 2017, at 7:29 AM, william degnan
<billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 7:03 PM, Mark Matlock <mark at matlockfamily.com> wrote:
RL02 or RL01? I have only RL02 drives (2). Are you saying you can
1) Use simH to set up the environment
2) Port to RL02 image disk
3) Take image put on actual RL02?
I just checked and the V3.2 distribution disks on bitsavers are RL02 images
(even if
they are in the RL01 directory). The baseline image is an unmapped system which is
a bit restrictive for your 11/40 but there is a full mapped system on the disk. To make
the mapped system the default:
1. boot the baseline unmapped system as Mark showed below. Make sure your
system is configured as an 11/40.
2. type the following at the ?>? prompt
ins $boo
boo [1,54]rsx11m
this will boot up the mapped system.
3. to make this the default (after the acs command wait for a response that the
checkpoint file is inactive):
acs sy:/blks=0
sav /wb
now you should have a bootable mapped system which you can copy to your
physical RL02. Depending on the state of your EIS board you may want to
stay with the original unmapped system - I suspect that the baseline mapped
system will always try to use the ?sob? instruction.
> On
Feb 2, 2017, at 11:19 PM, william degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com>
wrote:
> ...
> I am curious to see what OS's run on an 11/40 without the EIS card
other
> than RT-11. I am researching this. I have
always wanted to learn more
> about batch-11.
<snip>
It may be that some flavors of RSX-11/M or /S can be built with no EIS,
since
it's supposed to be possible to build a non-MMU version at least of
/S. But I don't know the specifics (no RSX experience).
paul
Bill, Paul,
I have been tinkering with old versions of RSX11M (back to V2) on
non-mapped CPUs, primarily PDP-11/05 as I hope to get mine running soon. On
Simh
with the CPU set as a PDP-11/05 which does not have EIS (I also tried an
11/40 but the SET CPU NOEIS in Simh gave me an error so I couldn't be sure
if it was disabled) I was able to boot the baseline distribution for RSX11M
V4.0 on a RL02 distribution. See details below on the config I tested.
RSX11M is a pretty capable multitasking, multiuser system and would be good
fit for the PDP-11/40.
John.
Best,
Mark
sim> sho cpu
CPU 11/05, idle enabled, autoconfiguration enabled
64KB
sim> sh rl
RL RL11, address=17774400-17774411, vector=160, 4 units
RL0 2621KW, attached to rsxm32.rl01, on line
write enabled, RL01
RL1 2621KW, attached to excprv.rl01, on line
write enabled, RL01
RL2 2621KW, attached to mcrsrc.rl01, on line
write enabled, RL01
RL3 2621KW, attached to rlutil.rl01, on line
write enabled, RL01
sim> b rl
RSX-11M V4.0 BL32 28.K (BASELINE)
I agree that it would run on the PDP 11/40 without EIS, but so far I have
not been able to get it onto an image that will write to actual RL02
disks. I was playing around with this yesterday.
I was also working on getting Fortran onto a RT11 disk and in general
building a dual drive system that has a programming environment with enough
space to save program and a dataset.
I have a lot of RSX11/M manuals and docs here, compared with RT11 I'd love
to use RSX. Are tools made for RSX compatible with RT-11, I am reading up
to see how these compare, what levels they're on...is RT11 like DOS and RSX
like "Windows" that sits on top of it, etc. I know RSX is not a GUI, just
making an analogy. I am researching all of this, up to this point I had
only dabbled in RT11.
Thanks
Bill RED DL:=SY:
RED DL:=LB:
MOU DL:RSXM32
@DL:[1,2]STARTUP
* PLEASE ENTER TIME AND DATE (HR:MN DD-MMM-YY) [S]: 17:52 04-FEB-80
TIM 17:52 04-FEB-80
* ENTER LINE WIDTH OF THIS TERMINAL [D D:132.]: 80.
SET /BUF=TI:80.
@ <EOF>
dev
DL0: Mounted Loaded Type=RL01
DL1: Loaded Type=RL01
TT0:
NL0:
TI0:
CO0: TT0:
CL0: TT0:
LB0: DL0:
SY0: DL0:
ins $pip
pip /li
Directory DL0:[200,200]
4-FEB-80 17:52
BLDLAINIT.CMD;1 14. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SGNBLDDRV.CMD;1 19. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SGNKLAB.CMD;1 70. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SGNSTAND.CMD;1 4. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SYSGEN.CMD;1 85. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SYSGEN2.CMD;1 79. 22-JAN-82 10:19
SYSGEN3.CMD;1 52. 22-JAN-82 10:19
Total of 323./323. blocks in 7. files
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