21 Jan
2001
21 Jan
'01
6:48 a.m.
There is another set of packages I know are real that work even 8086s
that are very small but this one claims more and is far smaller. I'm
not a believer.
FYI: it's only 2mb! Even the dos 6.22kit is larger and
www.newdealinc.com
stuff wants something like 5mb zipped.
Also MSwindows ME is on Win98 base which does run (slowly) on 386s.
It runs better if you apply 98lite to it and get rid of the IE5x and
some of
the other sillyness.
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Sunday, January 21, 2001 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: Windes ME
Has anyone here
heard of this?
I just had an email saying that this had the functionality
of Win ME but ran on older machines. They have a web site
which adds suspision.
http://216.183.9.122/windesme
From thier website, I'd say it's functionality is as a
'work-alike' that they've made to have the same 'look' as Windows
2000 and which they've written a few applications for. it says
nothing about actually being compatible. Maybe a shell running on
top of something like a FreeDOS base?
Jeff
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21 Jan
21 Jan
7:17 a.m.
There is another set of packages I know are real that
work even 8086s
that are very small but this one claims more and is far smaller. I'm
not a believer.
FYI: it's only 2mb! Even the dos 6.22kit is larger and
www.newdealinc.com
stuff wants something like 5mb zipped.
That's PC/GEOS. Trust me, it works. I was a PC/GEOS believer back in the
early days and I think it's one fabulous GUI.
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8:48 a.m.
That's PC/GEOS. Trust me, it works. I was a PC/GEOS
believer back in the
early days and I think it's one fabulous GUI.
Is PC/GEOS still available? I have GEOS for my C-64 but have
never tried the x86 version. For early x86 GUI's, I liked GEM. I
like it on the Atari-ST as well, as long as it's running in the
high-res mode on a SM-124. Low-res CGA-style doesn't do it justice.
Jeff
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9:09 a.m.
That's
PC/GEOS. Trust me, it works. I was a PC/GEOS believer back in the
early days and I think it's one fabulous GUI.
Is PC/GEOS still available? I have GEOS for my C-64 but have
never tried the x86 version. For early x86 GUI's, I liked GEM. I
like it on the Atari-ST as well, as long as it's running in the
high-res mode on a SM-124. Low-res CGA-style doesn't do it justice.
9:47 a.m.
New Deal *is* PC/GEOS -- same kernel, same everything, just different name.
The Commodore and Apple GEOSes are related to PC/GEOS in name only.
Interestingly, if one looks at the Berkeley Softworks nee GeoWorks specs
for Apple and C64 GEOS, there were some hooks to make the two platforms
cross-compatible. Clever.
Where can PC/GEOS, aka New Deal, be found? It sounds pretty
interesting and something I'd like to check out.
Jeff
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10:09 a.m.
New Deal *is*
PC/GEOS -- same kernel, same everything, just different name.
The Commodore and Apple GEOSes are related to PC/GEOS in name only.
Interestingly, if one looks at the Berkeley Softworks nee GeoWorks specs
for Apple and C64 GEOS, there were some hooks to make the two platforms
cross-compatible. Clever.
Where can PC/GEOS, aka New Deal, be found? It sounds pretty
interesting and something I'd like to check out. 
11:23 a.m.
Where can PC/GEOS, aka New Deal, be found? It sounds
pretty
interesting and something I'd like to check out.
Jeff
--
Geoworks 2.0 requires a 286 but then its addicting. The GUI is ugly as hell,
because it was made for VGA. My taste ;>/
I always wondered why Geoworks never gave Bill the competition. It was the
first multitasking GUI that ran on an XT, long b4 wIN3.0
It also was the take-off platform for Steve Chase with a lil terminal
pgm/bbs called AOL. I remember when Steve was a regular there and we made
fun of him when he swore that he would have 100 000 users .......
http://www.newdealinc.com/
For 16-bit fans and win3.11 on memory-poor laptops, calmira is quite geeky:
http://calmirazone.8m.com/
have fun
Fred
I hope these posts are within classiccomputer criteria....
11:59 a.m.
For 16-bit fans and win3.11 on memory-poor laptops,
calmira is quite geeky:
http://calmirazone.8m.com/
have fun
I can see a lot of downloadable *utilities* but no actual download of
Calmira itself ... ?
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12:01 p.m.
Never mind, I found it: http://www.calmira.org/
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1:13 p.m.
Re:
For 16-bit fans and win3.11 on memory-poor laptops,
calmira is quite geeky:
http://calmirazone.8m.com/
The worst pages I've seen for quite awhile.
I gave up.
Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com
www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler
22 Jan
22 Jan
2:50 p.m.
Jeff Hellige skrev:
>That's PC/GEOS. Trust me, it works. I was a
PC/GEOS believer back in the
>early days and I think it's one fabulous GUI.
Is PC/GEOS still available? I have GEOS for my C-64
but have
never tried the x86 version. For early x86 GUI's, I liked GEM. I
like it on the Atari-ST as well, as long as it's running in the
high-res mode on a SM-124. Low-res CGA-style doesn't do it justice.
Yes, and to add insult to injury, it is owned by Microsoft!
The Nokia N9000 (Communicator) series also runs GEOS on its 486 processor.
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3:56 p.m.
Is PC/GEOS
still available? I have GEOS for my C-64 but have
never tried the x86 version. For early x86 GUI's, I liked GEM. I
like it on the Atari-ST as well, as long as it's running in the
high-res mode on a SM-124. Low-res CGA-style doesn't do it justice.
Yes, and to add insult to injury, it is owned by Microsoft!
23 Jan
23 Jan
5:24 p.m.
Cameron Kaiser skrev:
> > Is PC/GEOS still available? I have GEOS
for my C-64 but have
> >never tried the x86 version. For early x86 GUI's, I liked GEM. I
> >like it on the Atari-ST as well, as long as it's running in the
> >high-res mode on a SM-124. Low-res CGA-style doesn't do it justice.
>
> Yes, and to add insult to injury, it is owned by Microsoft!
Eh? How do you figure?
This was some years ago, but at least it said so back then in some NewDeal
Office FAQ.
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22 Jan
22 Jan
5:40 p.m.
On 23 Jan 2001, Iggy Drougge wrote:
Jeff Hellige skrev:
What? GEOS was never owned by Microsoft. GEM belonged to Digital Research
and I would be shocked to hear they were bought by Microsoft.
And the N9000 Communicator uses a pair of 80386 CPUs. The 9110 uses an
80486. I know, I was there. (:
ok
r.
Is PC/GEOS still available? I have GEOS for my
C-64 but have
never tried the x86 version. For early x86 GUI's, I liked GEM. I
like it on the Atari-ST as well, as long as it's running in the
high-res mode on a SM-124. Low-res CGA-style doesn't do it justice.
Yes, and to add insult to injury, it is owned by Microsoft!
The Nokia N9000 (Communicator) series also runs GEOS on its 486 processor.
23 Jan
23 Jan
5:25 p.m.
r. 'bear' stricklin skrev:
On 23 Jan 2001, Iggy Drougge wrote:
> Jeff Hellige skrev:
>
> > Is PC/GEOS still available? I have GEOS for my C-64 but have
> >never tried the x86 version. For early x86 GUI's, I liked GEM. I
> >like it on the Atari-ST as well, as long as it's running in the
> >high-res mode on a SM-124. Low-res CGA-style doesn't do it justice.
>
> Yes, and to add insult to injury, it is owned by Microsoft!
> The Nokia N9000 (Communicator) series also runs GEOS on its 486 processor.
What? GEOS was never owned by Microsoft. GEM belonged
to Digital Research
and I would be shocked to hear they were bought by Microsoft.
GEOS and GEM are not the same. GEOS was developed by Berkeley Softworks,
wasn't it?
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24 Jan
24 Jan
8:31 a.m.
On 24 Jan 2001, Iggy Drougge wrote:
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that they were.
GEOS was developed by Berkeley Softworks, and later became known as
Geoworks, Inc. The company still exists, developing software for 'smart
phones' based on GEOS 3.0. What was known as "Geoworks Ensemble" was sold
in its entirety to NewDeal, Inc. who curently support and sell the latest
iteration of same. I believe their product is called "NewDeal Office" and
a free trial is available from this URL:
http://wwwnd.newdealinc.com/products/products_main.asp?page_name=download
You mentioned GEOS and GEM, and in the same breath about something being
owned by Microsoft, and I couldn't figure out what you were referring to.
If Microsoft bought DRI, I never heard about it. They certainly never
bought Geoworks, Inc.
ok
r.
What? GEOS was
never owned by Microsoft. GEM belonged to Digital Research
and I would be shocked to hear they were bought by Microsoft.
GEOS and GEM are not the same. GEOS was developed by Berkeley Softworks,
wasn't it?
9:34 a.m.
You mentioned GEOS and GEM, and in the same breath
about something being
owned by Microsoft, and I couldn't figure out what you were referring to.
If Microsoft bought DRI, I never heard about it. They certainly never
bought Geoworks, Inc.
I know CP/M is owned by Caldera, so I would bet they own GEM as well, and
possibly DR-DOS.
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12:56 p.m.
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
I was advised recently that Caldera had released GEM to GNU license. Also
that there are several GEM oriented sites around now.
- don
You mentioned
GEOS and GEM, and in the same breath about something being
owned by Microsoft, and I couldn't figure out what you were referring to.
If Microsoft bought DRI, I never heard about it. They certainly never
bought Geoworks, Inc.
I know CP/M is owned by Caldera, so I would bet they own GEM as well, and
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2:28 p.m.
Cameron Kaiser skrev:
> You mentioned GEOS and GEM, and in the same breath
about something being
> owned by Microsoft, and I couldn't figure out what you were referring to.
> If Microsoft bought DRI, I never heard about it. They certainly never
> bought Geoworks, Inc.
I know CP/M is owned by Caldera, so I would bet they
own GEM as well, and
possibly DR-DOS.
Of course, GEM is now open source, and people are working on modernising it
and removing all the crippling it was subjected to due to Apple suits.
Mind you, it still looks rather sad compared to Atari GEMs, which were
unaffected by said suits.
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