Too thin. Intuitively, I thought I'd get better results (fewer rips) by feeding the opposite edge into the gripper. But more taint tore that way than when fed in hole-edge first. And in the old days, I did repair pages using the hole reinforcers (back before they were self-adhesive and thinner than they are now), and the result is that the manual takes up twise as much space in the binder. No, I want to meet the genius who invented this binding system. Like GBC but not GBC. I also would like to find a connection for the yellow construction-paper (not really but that's close) that CDC used for the 70s era covers. Some mill in Minneapolis must have a ton of it laying around... -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits